Interesting story here from Air Force Times about an Air Force aircrew that was not given military justice (or at least none was disclosed, so that might be different) after running out of fuel while ferrying passengers.  Something to think about the next time I fly one of those commuter airlines.  I wonder if pilots are required to carry their DD-214 with the characterization?  Maybe I could get Orly Taitz to force airline pilots to carry their real discharge papers?

3 Responses to “No Military Justice Story”

  1. Cloudesley Shovell says:

    Any level of punitive action under the UCMJ for aviation mishaps is relatively rare. However, many military pilots have lost their wings for a lot less than this. I doubt either one of those guys will ever see the inside of a military cockpit again.

    That being said, plenty of former military pilots who have crashed military airplanes who are now flying for major airlines (not “commuter” airlines). The only one I know of to ever be subjected to any level of military discipline (an Air Force pilot who went to flag-level mast for destroying two jets in a midair collision while flathatting) is now flying for United Airlines. Or is it Uninental? Or Continited? I can’t keep track.

  2. Dew_Process says:

    It’s inconceivable that the Aircraft Commander (at least) didn’t get an Article 15, and depending on the co-pilots involvement in the mission planning he as well.

    The AC will for sure lose his wings at an FEB, the co-pilot, if he didn’t have any or just a minor role in the mission plan, “might” be given a second chance considering his inexperience.

    But, what about USAF pilots flying a military SpecOps mission in a plane with no apparent military markings??

  3. Michael Lowrey says:


    Not sure that this was really a special ops mission. Probably more like an old turboprop commuter plane attached to a special ops unit that was used to shuffle people and freight around.

    As for the lack of obvious military markings, that’s common. Here’s a picture of a Navy 737 which looks a lot like a business jet (yes, there are tells that it’s military, like the freighter door forward). Apparently this is standard look for Navy 737s these days:

    And a USAF version: