http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com./press-release/pressrelease20100812.html

And speaking of Bush v. Gore, once it was decided, it was decided. While the various liberal blogs constantly griped about the decision, I don’t recall seeing any calls for armed insurrection, uprisings by the military, or large numbers of lawsuits challenging his legitimacy and demanding proof that the election wasn’t stolen.

Setting aside the fact that the only people who people who were moved to complain about it were the people who tried to steal it in the first place, the contested ballots were recounted by several media outlets who concluded that Bush would have won an official hand recount. A reasonable parallel, then, would be if Fox News personnel had been allowed to inspect the vault copy of Obama’s original birth certificate.

Just as with President Bush, no one said you have to like President Obama’s victory or his policies and actions. But he is the President. The birthers often strike me as the ultimate sore losers.

Let’s not pretend [to know how principled this guy is].

I never have, which certainly can’t be said for most of Lakin’s detractors that I’ve run into.

Until you respond to the issue of all other orders that LTC Lakin has obeyed (showing up to work at the Pentagon, accepting pay, uniform regulations) your rantings, however you disguise them, will have absolutely no traction here or anywhere else. LTC Lakin disobeyed an inconvenient order. He never said (not according to his own posts anyway, and since he seems content to tell us everything else he does and “thinks”) that he wouldn’t accept pay, etc. Let’s not pretend this guy is more principled than he is.

As for birferism, there are perhaps 800,000 lawyers in America. And of that number the only ones who seem to klnow what the rest don’t about Barack Obama as well as the “natual born Citizen” clause are these tremendous legal lights Orly Taitz, Phil Berg, Mario Apuzzo, Charles E. Lincoln III (inactive). John Hemenway and Gary Kreep. They have become famous not because of any scholarly pursuits (they’ve never published more than a blog), nor because of their victories (they’ve lost every case they’ve filed on the matter), but because they bask in publicity and the PayPal button.

Now, late to the party, comes Rolf Jensen, who is new civilian defense counsel for LTCOL Lakin. Mr. Jensen’s many talents have been discussed earlier. All I need add is that like all of his birfer colleagues he, too, has a PayPal button.

Any delusion can be argued for, given sufficient creativity and determination.

The irony is just killing me.

What you call unprovoked race-baiting, I call truth.

Of course you do. When you hate what someone says but can’t find any fault with it, what alternative do you have but to manufacture a fault in his character out of thin air and call it truth?

No, I don’t think all of the readers of this blog are idiots, just one.

Tell you what, when you have evidence that the President is an “usurper” please post it, it ought to be entertaining. Otherwise, we don’t all quit doing our jobs in the military just because of who the president is.

What you call unprovoked race-baiting, I call truth. You are an idiot. That’s not name-calling. It’s clear truth. And that’s the nicest thing I can say.

Actually, if you want to get into a different topic, it could be argued that the United States did just that for eight years while G. W. Bush served as president.

You know, Phil, if you’re speaking of Bush v. Gore, it raises an interesting comparison.

That was a hard-fought, closely divided issue. The country was split largely down the middle, with high-powered constitutional lawyers on both sides and a 5-4 Supreme Court decision. The outcome will probably be debated for decades, if not longer.

On the birther issue there’s nothing comparable. Both houses of Congress approved the vote of the Electoral College without a single dissent; there’s not a single reputable constitutional attorney advocating the birther point of view; and there hasn’t been a single court decision in their favor (I believe the score is something like 0-71 now).

So, while some of the more vociferous on the losing side see the situation as an illustration of how “the law can be perverted,” there is a remarkable near-unanimity in all three branches of government — both at federal and state levels — that the law, at least with regard to presidential eligibility, is functioning just as it should.

Actually, if you want to get into a different topic, it could be argued that the United States did just that for eight years while G. W. Bush served as president.

Any delusion can be argued for, given sufficient creativity and determination.

That is part of the reason why five, possibly soon to be six states have passed legislation on how their electoral college votes will be assigned.

Actually no one has “argued the point as if it does.”

You evidently think the readers of this blog are idiots.

you are egging on a guy to lose his retirement and service

I’m not doing any such thing.

over something so asinine.

Perhaps you’d like to explain to me how it is that the military can serve the interests of the American people just as well with a usurper acting as CiC as with a legitimate President, as a certain contributor to this site has opined.

All because you don’t like a black liberal in the white house.

Let us not forget that unprovoked race-baiting is nothing but a pusillanimous act of intellectual desperation.

You and your kind are a disgrace to logic, to decency

See above.

You have a highly inflated sense of self-importance when it comes to the question of how much weight your personal “sense of justice” should carry in our legal and political system.

@yguy: Those are the same false claims that you were called on last time around.

More accurately, they are the same facts you somehow find so objectionable.

…since [the COLB] is the only form of Birth Certificate that Hawaii currently issues, it is preposterous to suggest that any other document could be provided every bit as easily.

Again, HRS §338-13(a) says otherwise; so it would appear that either you’re wrong or the DoH, by refusing to issue certified copies of original certificates they have on file, is in willful violation of HI law.

Which is it?

But I was under the impression when you spoke of attributing culpability to President Obama that you meant “culpability” in some legal sense. Now I understand that you were simply using the term within the purview of your own idiosyncratic view of how the law and the military ought to operate. Anyone who understands how they do operate knows better.

Anyone with a sense of justice, and who understands that the law can be perverted to perpetrate an injustice, knows that while there may be people who know better, you are not among them.

People have argued about the true motives of the birthers, people have argued about how possibly the birthers could think they have a case here, people have lamented how people like you are riding this LTC like a horse to the glue factory because you have to know no court will give you what you want and you are egging on a guy to lose his retirement and service over something so asinine.

All because you don’t like a black liberal in the white house. If Obama had the exact same history but was a white, conservative republican, you and your ilk wouldn’t say boo.

You and your kind are a disgrace to logic, to decency, and all you will have accomplished is to send one gullible, not too saavy guy to the glue factory all to be able to pump each other up about the coming revolution and how you are TRUE patriots.

Excuse me? Let’s see, he actually did release his COLB. It was even examined by disinterested parties,

I can’t imagine whom you think you’re kidding.

who took high-resolution photographs of it, verified that the document was indeed a real one with a correct seal. The governor of the state he was born in (who was campaigning for his opponent), had it checked out,

No, she did not have the COLB checked out – or if she did, nary a mention of it has come within my field of vision.

So your comment about “credible evidence” is specious. He has provided it, more than any other presidential candidate – or President – ever has in the past. Now, what you really mean is “some evidence, which I won’t detail, that only I will get to determine the credibility of.” It’s the ever-popular “moving the goalposts” that birthers do all the time. There is no evidence that could be provided that will ever satisfy you.

You obviously have me confused with someone else. I’ve been perfectly explicit about what would satisfy me on this very site.

It doesn’t matter one whit if he’s not a natural born citizen.

Then one cannot help but wonder why you people continue to argue the point as if it does.