safeguardourconstitution has posted this link to Patra Minocha’s 3 minute and 34 second song about LTC Lakin called, “It’s Time to Know the Truth.”  Ms. Miocha’s vocal stylings aren’t my cup of tea, though there’s some good piano work on the song.

But what strikes me more is that LTC Lakin’s supporters — including, oddly enough, his brother — seem to be unaware that his defense has abandoned the challenge to President Obama’s constitutional eligibility.

64 Responses to “Lakinista website posts song about LTC Lakin”

  1. SueDB says:

    But what strikes me more is that LTC Lakin’s supporters — including, oddly enough, his brother — seem to be unaware that his defense has abandoned the challenge to President Obama’s constitutional eligibility.

    His brother??? – Something doesn’t fall too from from the tree??

    Is it genetic or something else?

    They should try doing some actual real research.

  2. Christopher Mathews says:

    I have the distinct impression that Lakinista is the wrong term. The actual flesh-and-blood lieutenant colonel is apparently not their primary concern.

  3. Brien Le Chien says:

    Dwight, was this song “not your cup of tea” because it was seditious? Through out, it refers to the President as “evil” a “threat within” and the “enemy in the oval wing[sic]”

    Patra Minocha is free to write and sing this song. But there is something very wrong with LTC Lakin appearing in uniform, on a page that solicits donations, while this song is played. Perhaps, I am strangely out of touch.

    I realize that LTC Lakin pushed the Joint Ethics Regulation’s prohibition on endorsing or appearing to endorse private organizations a while ago. (An Article 92 general order/regulation prohibition if I am not mistaken). Perhaps this is all done without his persmission.

  4. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Brian Le Chien, well said. I was commenting only about M.s Minocha’s singing style. :-)

  5. Brien Le Chien says:

    I know. I know. I feel the same way about her voice as well. Maybe it’s the hint of guilt that creeps into her tone. Maybe its that she inherited her great-great grandfather Ben. Arnold’s singing voice. Maybe, its because she meant this song to be a requiem (as her repeated statements that only God can save LTC Lakin seem to indicate), and she is sad it was released pretrial.

    Then again, maybe it’s the artist’s knowledge that “Its time to know the truth” is a horrible, refrain, and that whatever the President’s eligibility, she mostly phoned this one in.

  6. Steve Schulin says:

    What a great song. Funny that Brian Le Chien writes about phoning this one in — I had the pleasure of hearing Ms. Minocha sing this over the phone before she recorded it.

    As to whether describing Barack Obama as evil is seditious, I think you’re being way too overcautious. Many Americans see abortion as a great evil, for example, and telling them it’s seditious to so brand a pro-abortion public figure seems as unAmerican as it gets.

  7. Norbrook says:

    One can disagree with the positions of the President – and I disagreed with many of President Bush’s – without resorting to personal attacks or trying to come up with a faux reason that he’s not “a legitimate President.” Neither should we be condoning calls for a military coup. But then again, I’ve actually read the Constitution, and understand it, unlike many of the birthers.

  8. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Mr. Schulin, Brien le Chien is certainly capable of barking for himself, but I think his central point concerned a military officer associating himself in uniform with the song’s sentiments (if that’s what happened–a matter about which Brien reserves judgment).

  9. Steve Schulin says:

    Dear Dwight Sullivan: While the point you emphasize is an interesting one, the notion that the song is seditious seems to have much broader application.

    Say, if a sedition charge related to what folks here refer to as “birther” claims were brought in a court martial, would the accused be able to raise the defense denied Lt. Col. Lakin?

  10. Dwight Sullivan says:

    The UCMJ does prohibit sedition. Article 94(a)(2), 10 U.S.C. 894(a)(2). But merely associating oneself with Ms. Minocha’s song wouldn’t meet that offense’s elements. Again, Brien is free to bark for himself, but I believe he was using “seditious” in a colloquial sense rather than a military justice sense.

    Sedition under the UCMJ constitutes certain actions to “cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority.” If there were a sedition case and there was an attempt to use a birther defense, the same political question doctrine that Judge Lind applied as an alternative basis for her Lakin ruling would likely result in the defense’s failure in this context as well. A court-martial is likely to rule that assessing the lawfulness of the civil authority is a poltiical question reserved for other branches of government. Such a ruling would almost certainly be upheld on appeal.

  11. sg says:

    Say, if a sedition charge related to what folks here refer to as “birther” claims were brought in a court martial, would the accused be able to raise the defense denied Lt. Col. Lakin?

    Mr. Schulin–you seem to be under the misapprehension that military officers can violate the law and the present whatever defense they want, and in so doing bring down the nefarious usurper in the white house. It doesn’t work like that. You need to get the idea out of your head that the military justice system exists for any other purpose than the enforcement of good order and discipline in the ranks.
    This is because our lives are not like yours. Military officers and NCOs get to obey the laws that govern the country and the service, and obey the orders they are given. As long as those orders are not of themselves illegal, one must obey them and enforce them upon one’s subordinates.
    As an Infantryman, my job for 21 years was to close with and destroy the enemy through fire and maneuver and to repel his assault by fire and close combat. That doesn’t work when there’s a question as to whether or not the Colonel is on the same page of the Op order as everyone else. We do what we are ordered to do when we are ordered to do it or people die.
    The lawfulness of military orders is judged against the orders themselves, not the skin tone of the occupant of the white house, not which party controls the Senate, and whether or not the President was properly vetted prior to the election has no bearing at all on the questions of whether or not LTC Lakin was given orders to do things and go places by people who outranked him in his chain of command and could therefor give him orders to do things and go places and have a reasonable expectation that he would carry out those orders.
    You lost an election and can’t stomach that. I get that. On some level I can even sympathize, but the Courts are an extremely poor vehicle to overturn an election, as the courts themselves have pointed out many times, and Courts-Martial in particular are even worse. Try volunteering with your local Republican party office.

  12. John O'Connor says:

    Good Lord, this case needs to end so these people will go away.

  13. Colt45 says:

    Who you callin’ “these people”?

  14. John O'Connor says:

    It’s like the old adage “there’s always one weird person on every bus, and if you can’t spot him, it’s you.”

    (to be clear, it’s the mindless Lakinistas who swarm every time the site’s hit count is low and Dwight posts something about Lakin’s case to juice the numbers). I think the readers of this blog qualify as aggravation witnesses at sentencing to give victim-impact testimony.

  15. Bill C says:

    SG: I agree with nearly everything you have posted. However, as I have previously, I would caution against bringing race into the argument. Mr. Schulin’s viewpoints may be bizarre and they may be wrong, but when we start labeling people racist, with no evidence to support it, we cut off logical debate (not that the birthers are capable of that) and resort to name calling. LTC Lakin doesn’t impress me as racist, and I have no evidence Mr. Schulin is either.

  16. Steve Schulin says:

    Retired Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney gave a example of how a fair weighing of Lt. Col. Lakin’s concern would enhance good order and discipline, and he stresses the vital nature of this enhancement. A pdf of his August 2010 affadavit, where the example is discussed in point 7, is available at
    http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/images/stories/documents/affidavit-lt-general-mcinerney-as-filed.pdf

    I don’t know whether Barack Obama is eligible to serve as President or not. I mention this because sg’s comment about “bring down the nefarious usurper” suggests otherwise.

    sg’s comment about “skin tone” sure doesn’t describe my thinking. I enthusiastically vote for candidates based on their demonstrated abilties and their commitment to such fundamental principles as we’re all created equal, endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights. For example, in 2008, I was delighted when Dr. Alan Keyes announced his candidacy for President. The fact that he is a black man was not a factor in my support of him.

    sg claims that I can’t stomach losing an election. That’s not true. He also writes about overturning an election, which is not my goal at all. In this case, I am defending the Constitution, no more, no less. There are things that repulse me, such as the denial of the right not to be deprived of life without due process, such as is the case currently with abortion.

    sg suggests volunteering with local Republican Party. Actually, I think the Republican Party has failed miserably in defending the Constitution, and that there’s little reason to imagine that GOP can be turned back to work for those fundamental principles I mention above.

  17. Christopher Mathews says:

    Bill, it’s nonetheless passing curious that people who profess to be uncertain about the President’s place of birth and claim merely to be defending the Constitution did not see fit to mount the same defense against the possible usurpation of the office by any other President — whose place of birth they had no more direct knowledge of than this one.

  18. John Harwood says:

    Ask yourself one question: if John McCain had won, would the birthers be raising such a ruckus over his qualifications to serve? McCain, as you may recall, was born in the Canal Zone in Panama while his father was stationed there. Arguably, McCain had a much more tenuous grasp on “natural born citizen” status that BHO: at least BHO was ostensibly born in the United States. I’ll believe the birther opposition to Obama isn’t politically/racially motivated when I’m convinced they’d be hounding McCain had he prevailed.

  19. Steve Schulin says:

    John Harwood: I don’t know about other plaintiffs or others, but I would continue to defend the Constitution regarding John McCain’s eligibility too. My understanding is that (1) you are mistaken in claiming that he was born in Canal Zone (for example, the birth certificate which shows he was born in the Republic of Panama, in the city of Colon); (2) there was a US law in effect at the time which specified that one of the requirements for children, born in Panama, to be US citizens was that the child’s parents had to be married; (3) John McCain reports that his parents were married at Caeser’s Bar in Tiajuana; and (4) marriages performed in bars were not lawful marriages in Mexico. I would thus ask how someone who’s not a citizen can be considered a natural-born citizen.

    Three AIP-affiliated plaintiffs — Markham Robinson and Wiley Drake of California, and Alan Keyes of Maryland — filed suit to deny McCain a ballot line in California due to natural born citizen requirement. The research about marriages in Mexico was performed as preparation for that case.

    The pre-election lawsuit in which I was a plaintiff sought to ensure that Electors would have access to information necessary to determine the eligibility of their candidate before casting their vote. The remedy we sought applied equally to information about all candidates.

  20. yguy says:

    SG: I agree with nearly everything you have posted. However, as I have previously, I would caution against bringing race into the argument.

    People don’t race-bait because they’re incautious, they do it to project their own bigotry onto anyone who is so rude as to draw a bead on any of their sacred cows.

  21. Bill C says:

    John/Chris: Perhaps not, but that doesn’t mean that it is racially motivated. I will concede that there were questions regarding both Senator McCain’s and President Obama’s eligibility, but the questioning of birthers about the President’s eligibility I believe has much more to do with his politics than with his race.
    As for why they have not questioned previous presidents (most notably Democrats) I would think it is mainly because the issue simply has not been ripe for discussion prior.
    Don’t get me wrong: I am not trying to defend any of them. Some of them may well be motivated by their dislike of the President based solely on his race/religion/ethnicity or whatever. My point is that until we have some proof of that we should not be throwing around the allegation of racism. I have seen some diatribes linked to Orly Taitz that, if truly uttered by her, would prove she is a racist. But I don’t know that about Mr. Schulin, LTC Lakin, his brother or others I have seen painted with that very incendiary brush.

  22. yguy says:

    Bill, it’s nonetheless passing curious that people who profess to be uncertain about the President’s place of birth and claim merely to be defending the Constitution did not see fit to mount the same defense against the possible usurpation of the office by any other President — whose place of birth they had no more direct knowledge of than this one.

    Who the hell knew what a short form BC was before 2008? Practically nobody. Lots more people are are aware of the difference now, but not as many know that HI law makes no distinction WRT availability of COLB’s and long forms; and no independent-minded person who is aware of that can help but wonder why he didn’t at least try to obtain the latter, and why he is content to let a man be court-martialed rather than make such a trivial effort.

  23. Brien Le Chien says:

    Ruff, ruff.

    //translation// What Dwight said…

  24. Christopher Mathews says:

    Bill —

    Clearly the birthers are not a monolithic group. Some may be motivated by race; some by pure politics. I think you’re probably right that the latter predominate.

    As for that subset who are motivated, or profess to be motivated, only by the purest lily-white concern for Constitutional purity, I again find it odd that none ever demanded production of the birth certificates — long form or short — of any prior President.

  25. 8041 says:

    I think in point of fact, the very first crazy birther suit was filed by a Republican in the New England area who was actually challenging McCain’s access to the ballot on NBC grounds. That case was dismissed for standing, but it seems the “crazy”, is longed lived, as well as deep.

    Personally, as a father of a son who was born on Okinawa while I was serving, and who 25-years later serves his country in Afghanistan, it pains me to know that there are people who believe him not to be eligible for the presidency. But, that’s clearly where some people are, sadly.

  26. Christopher Mathews says:

    LTC Lakin publically announced that, by refusing to obey orders unless given something the courts have now determined he has no right to receive, he was inviting his own court-martial. The Army accepted his invitation.

    Everyone goes home happy, yes?

  27. Norbrook says:

    Apparently some of the guests are criticizing the cuisine and the party favors. Personally, I’m really enjoying the entertainment selections, but there’s always someone who has to gripe.

  28. sg says:

    I have seen nothing from either of those particular individuals to say “wow, these guys are flaming racists.”
    But I stand by what I said months ago. If the President’s name were Barry O’bannon, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. You guys would all be going on about the military justice arcana and I’d still be an occasional lurker. Living in Oklahoma, one sees quite a bit of the birther/teabagger behavior, and it breaks down for the VAST majority of them into racists, political opportunists, and those who exploit the other two groups in my experience. Neither of our current resident birthers appears to be fund raising or running for office, so that leaves the first group. It is possible, I suppose, that in yguy and Mr. Schulin, we have found the two non-racist/non-opportunists/non-exploiters in the birther movement. That kind of luck would mean that I’m due to either win the powerball or be struck by lightening, but I think I’m pretty safe in not orienting my life around either of those eventualities.

  29. Christopher Mathews says:

    Ingrates.

  30. sg says:

    I never went to the charm school. It’s stressful to be in polite company and not know which knife to use or which glass to toast with.

  31. Brien Le Chien says:

    Don’t be concerned about which knife you use, any will do.

    I think if given a butter knife you could still do the trick.

  32. sg says:

    But how do you toast with a knife?

  33. Norbrook says:

    But how do you toast with a knife?

    You insert the blade into the slice of bread, then extend the bread carefully over the flames, until it starts to brown. Flip it over and do the same to the other side. After which, put bread on plate, remove knife from bread, and use knife to apply topping of your choice (butter, jelly, jam, etc.) to the toast.

  34. jamese777 says:

    I knew the difference since 1976 when I first ordered a copy of my “birth certificate” from the state of New York. They sent me a little abbreviated computer print out. I wanted to get a US passport so I called the County Registrar of Records to make sure the “short form” would work and she told me that was the only certificate issued by her department.
    I’ve been using the same “short form” now for 34 years.
    I’m fairly certain that I am not the only person who uses a short form.
    Barack Obama has the additional confirmations of having his birth data authenticated by the Governor of Hawaii, the Director of the state Department of Health, the Registrar of Vital Statistics and the Attorney General of Hawaii who are all members or appointees of the “loyal opposition” political party to the President.
    There is no way on earth that Obama’s attorneys would allow him to intervene in any way, shape or form in a military court martial. That was NEVER going to happen, talk about opening flood gates.
    My bet is that if Lakin is convicted and the conviction is upheld on appeal, Obama will finally get involved by using Lakin to his own political advantage by pardoning him.
    Remember, we are talking about a consumate liberal politician here.

  35. sg says:

    extend the bread carefully over the flames

    I keep screwing that part up.

  36. Brien Le Chien says:

    Maybe I was too subtle, but I wasn’t suggesting toasting with your knife…

  37. Anonymous says:

    Lounge singing at its finest. I expected her to stop in the middle to banter with her piano player, Stu.

  38. Anonymous says:

    I think there is plenty of evidence to support it in the general sense for Birthers, now is every Birther a racist? No, probably not. But many are.

  39. Anonymous says:

    They would not. Furthermore, the Tea Party wouldn’t exist either. Oh there would be some folks annoyed that the Republican Party wasn’t conservative enough for them, but their wouldn’t be a movement like there is now.

  40. Anonymous says:

    I think my issue with what I think is ordinarily a fair and prudent approach you are advocating in not “playing the race card” too quickly is that so much of this stuff is tied into his ethnic heritage in Africa, his trip to Indonesia, and his Muslim heritage.

    I think if he were Caucasian and his dad were a white guy who was Canadian, and he’d left to go to British Columbia as a kid, and his mom was Protestant and his dad Catholic or Jewish or even Hindu, then this wouldn’t be an issue, everything else being the same.

    That’s why I think for the Birthers, race/religion are inextricably linked into their opposition protestations that they would protest McCain equally notwithstanding.

  41. Patra Minocha says:

    You guys sound like a bunch of egocentric narcissists
    who have probably never suffered poor health/poverty,
    let alone done manual labor like barning tobacco or
    picking cotton. I did both as a kid.
    You speak proudly & offensively with your pretentious
    tongues saying absolutely nothing.
    You live in your heads. Your hearts are homeless.
    Terry Lakin is a far greater patriot than the sum total
    of you prepubescent pricks lumped together.
    Why don’t you send “The Hands of Freedom, The Hope of
    the Future” banners to the valiant soldiers serving in
    Afghanistan? Try blessing someone for a change.
    You’re wasting your precious gifts/talents bellyaching
    on-line, accomplishing nothing of any significance.

  42. sg says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  43. Christopher Mathews says:

    You managed to be wrong on every single point, Patra. That’s a rare gift. Treasure it.

  44. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Boy, for someone who brands those she disagrees with politically as evil and Satanic, Ms. Minocha is certainly thin-skinned.

  45. Reality Check says:

    Who the hell knew what a short form BC was before 2008? Practically nobody. Lots more people are are aware of the difference now, but not as many know that HI law makes no distinction WRT availability of COLB’s and long forms; and no independent-minded person who is aware of that can help but wonder why he didn’t at least try to obtain the latter, and why he is content to let a man be court-martialed rather than make such a trivial effort.

    yguy

    Hawaiian law allows for the government to choose the form of the document that will be provided. Since 2001 the DOH has promulgated rules that the computer generated COLB is the only certified birth document that will be provided. Obama’s campaign ordered multiple copies of the COLB in 2007 for whatever purposes that they might be needed in the presidential election in 2008. When the COLB was first posted it was to address rumors that Obama’s middle name was “Mohamed” that were circulating on the internet. No one has successfully obtained any certified birth document from the Hawaii DOH other than the computer COLB since 2001. Several birther have tried most notably unsuccessful congressional candidate and birther from Oklahoma, Miki Booth. Miki Booth tried to obtain a “long form” for her son and was provided exactly the form that was provided to Obama.

    The relevant portion of the Hawaii code is §338-13

    Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

    (b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

    (c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.

    I think you are assuming that President Obama had even heard of LTC Lakin before Lakin decided to willfully disobey his deployment order. His official communication was with the Army up to that point. There is no evidence that President Obama has even heard of the Lakin case to this day. It is an Army matter only concerning a mid level officer and entirely unworthy of presidential attention. I am sure President Obama has more important matters to attend. Once Lakin chose to foolishly disobey a direct order it was too late for any release of a birth certificate to matter. Even Lakin’s own brother foolishly claims that if “Obama would only show his long form birth certificate” that his brother’s troubles would all be over and everyone could let bygones be bygones. Unfortunately for LTC Lakin that is not the case.

  46. yguy says:

    I think if he were Caucasian and his dad were a white guy who was Canadian, and he’d left to go to British Columbia as a kid, and his mom was Protestant and his dad Catholic or Jewish or even Hindu, then this wouldn’t be an issue, everything else being the same.

    Except it wouldn’t be, because it was his skin color that got him elected, let’s face it.

  47. Rob M says:

    I thought the “valiant soldiers serving in Afghanistan” are doing so under invalid orders. Isn’t that why LTC Lakin, the “far greater patriot” isn’t valiantly serving in Afghanistan right now?

  48. Norbrook says:

    Ms. Minocha: I can’t say that I ever barned tobacco and picked cotton, but that’s mainly because they didn’t grow where I grew up. Outside of that, wrong on every point, and, in case you missed it, this is a military law blog. Which means that most of (excepting the birthers) are currently or formerly in the military.

  49. yguy says:

    Barack Obama has the additional confirmations of having his birth data authenticated by the Governor of Hawaii…

    Such affirmations serve only to cast doubt on their credibility, seeing they serve no better purpose than to take the heat off Obama.

    who are all members or appointees of the “loyal opposition” political party to the President.

    So?

    There is no way on earth that Obama’s attorneys would allow him to intervene in any way, shape or form in a military court martial.

    And just who has suggested any such intervention?

  50. yguy says:

    LTC Lakin publically announced that, by refusing to obey orders unless given something the courts have now determined he has no right to receive, he was inviting his own court-martial.The Army accepted his invitation.

    Everyone goes home happy, yes?

    Sure, everyone who cares nothing for the Constitution.

  51. yguy says:

    Since 2001 the DOH has promulgated rules that the computer generated COLB is the only certified birth document that will be provided.

    Then it has promulgated rules that defy HRS §338-13(a), obviously.

    The relevant portion of the Hawaii code is

    Please, I must have posted it a hundred times since the 2008 election.

    I think you are assuming that President Obama had even heard of LTC Lakin before Lakin decided to willfully disobey his deployment order.

    It doesn’t matter.

    I am sure President Obama has more important matters to attend.

    Yes, there are terrorists and illegal aliens whose rights need defending, after all.

  52. Greg says:

    Then it has promulgated rules that defy HRS §338-13(a), obviously.

    So, request a BC, then when they don’t issue one, sue them for violating their laws. Wake me when you’ve got a successful judgment.

    Until then, the fact that you (and you alone) think the rules they’ve adopted violate their rules is irrelevant to the fact that they have, in fact, adopted those rules.

    Are you operating under the assumption that because YOU think the rules are illegal Obama COULD have gotten his long form BC?

  53. Christopher Mathews says:

    Res ipsa loquitor:

    People don’t race-bait because they’re incautious, they do it to project their own bigotry …

    … it was his skin color that got him elected, let’s face it.

  54. Anonymous says:

    Is this your new song? It’s catchy, but can you dance to it?

  55. Anonymous says:

    clearly, because the easiest things to do in America as an African-American (and as one, I know) are:

    1. Drive without getting arrested
    2. Join the Klan (affirmative action is THAT powerfully insidious)
    3. Get elected President

  56. sg says:

    yguy:

    because it was his skin color that got him elected, let’s face it.

    You know what the problem is at times like this? You see something like that, and you’re just dying to swing at the slow, straight one but you know you shouldn’t. If you don’t acknowledge it, then people will think that you’re ignoring the guy completely or have stopped monitoring the thread, due to the nature of the forum itself. If you do acknowledge it, even to point out that you’re not going to swing at the easy pitch, it looks like you’re taking a gratuitous swing at the easy pitch anyway. It kind of looks like you’re clubbing a baby seal, and nobody likes that, even if the seal deserves the clubbing. But even worse is that it looks like you are clubbing the seal AND trying to act like you’re not actually clubbing a seal. Nobody buys it.
    So now they have this image in their minds of you covered in bloody fur, holding a broken bat and saying “have you seen my baseball? I seem to have lost it over here by this dead baby seal.”
    And all you were really trying to do was make sure everybody knows you were paying attention but that you were too classy to take the easy shot.
    And now you’re hosed

  57. Reality Check says:

    @ yguy

    Then it has promulgated rules that defy HRS §338-13(a), obviously.

    See HRS §338-13(c)

    Please, I must have posted it a hundred times since the 2008 election.

    … and yet still do not comprehend it.

    It doesn’t matter. [re: Lakin]

    Finally correct! As to Lakin’s fate it doesn’t matter a bit whether the President ever heard of him.

    Yes, there are terrorists and illegal aliens whose rights need defending, after all.

    FBI thwarts terrorist bombing attempt at Portland holiday tree lighting, authorities say

  58. yguy says:

    So, request a BC, then when they don’t issue one, sue them for violating their laws.

    I’d do it in a NY minute, had I been born in HI.

    Are you operating under the assumption that because YOU think the rules are illegal Obama COULD have gotten his long form BC?

    No, I’m operating under the “assumption” that HRS §338-13(a) means what it says, and that the DoH is bound by it. Which of those “assumptions” do you find problematic?

  59. yguy says:

    Res ipsa loquitor:

    Hey, I’m just stating the obvious. Take away his ethnicity and he’s just a taller Michael Dukakis.

  60. yguy says:

    @ yguy
    See HRS §338-13(c)

    All that says is DoH has discretion over the method of reproduction. It doesn’t give leave to ignore the “any portion thereof” requirement in (a) by providing a document with only the information DoH finds it convenient to provide.

    FBI thwarts terrorist bombing attempt at Portland holiday tree lighting, authorities say

    Yes, I’m sure we can all sleep better knowing that however well connected the perp may be in the terrorist world, Obama will take the utmost care to avoid traumatizing so much as a hair of his chinny chin chin.

  61. interested onlooker says:

    All that says is DoH has discretion over the method of reproduction. It doesn’t give leave to ignore the “any portion thereof” requirement in (a) by providing a document with only the information DoH finds it convenient to provide.

    If you had any legal credentials (even Orly has some, how difficult could it be?) you could go do something about their apparent refusal to obey the law (as you interpret it)! Time to collect some more cereal box tops…

  62. Reality Check says:

    I’d do it in a NY minute, had I been born in HI.
    No, I’m operating under the “assumption” that HRS §338-13(a) means what it says, and that the DoH is bound by it. Which of those “assumptions” do you find problematic?

    So when you find a plaintiff and win against Hawaii on their interpretation of their own statutes in a New York minute that will have exactly what to do with President Obama’s eligibility? We already know he was born in Honolulu at Kapi’olani Hospital on August 4, 1961?

  63. sg says:

    Hey, I’m just stating the obvious.

    Has anyone seen my baseball? I seem to have lost it over here by this…

  64. Greg says:

    Retired Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney gave a example of how a fair weighing of Lt. Col. Lakin’s concern would enhance good order and discipline, and he stresses the vital nature of this enhancement.

    I think the retired Lt General’s affidavit speaks more to the wisdom of the military having a mandatory retirement age. Sadly, as his affidavit shows, a person in their later years might no longer possess the same mental faculties and reasoning abilities that they enjoyed in their younger days.

    For example, in 2008, I was delighted when Dr. Alan Keyes announced his candidacy for President. The fact that he is a black man was not a factor in my support of him.

    Nor were you apparently apparently deterred in your support of Dr. Keyes by the fact that the man (as anyone listening to him speak for a mere five minutes can easily surmise) – is (regrettably) quite unhinged.