Okay, one more Lakin post
BadFiction links to this press release from Neal Puckett’s law firm, which explains some of the tactical thinking behind the defense’s sentencing case.
It includes the interesting revelation that the client didn’t know that his counsel would aggressively challenge him during the unsworn statement:
Puckett raised his voice and proceeded to point out through questions and answers from Lakin how he had let down his family, the Army, his Soldiers, and those who need his medical services on the battlefield. This defense tactic totally surprised the client, but enabled the jury to see the depth and agony of the moral issues that led Lakin to make those choices.
The press release also confirms that, consistent with standard practice, LTC Lakin entered confinement yesterday.
Interesting spin on it here…
“These past three days in trial were a last ditch effort to minimize Lakin’s punishment after he misinterpreted his previous attorney’s advice as encouragement to twice fail to report to his brigade commander.”
Sounds like they’re not going after Jensen after all. I wonder what the behind-the-scenes story is on this one.
Great line about the sentencing argument over at BadFiction:
It sounds like Mr. Jensen has a Pearl Harbor file.
Bat guano. While Lakin may have not known the exact questions, it would have been egregiously below the standard of care for Puckett to start to attack Lakin without telling him in advance. And going over the questions with him.
Nice try, Neal. I bet you’re still smarting at the piss poor interview of LCOL Edwards that caught you with your undies around your knees. But some of us have an attention span greater than a dying fruitfly.
Stern, I don’t doubt you’re right, but what does Puckett have to gain by pretending that he sandbagged his client on the stand? Or is it just a diversion to detract from the Edwards fiasco?
Which may be why Lakin didn’t come across as remorseful and convincing. He wasn’t remorseful and hadn’t practiced falling on his sword enough.
The Terry Lakin Action Fund
http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com/
give early, give often
BTW I believe this is Mrs. Lakin’s first appearance.
http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com/
We don’t know how old the picture is or if Mrs. Lakin’s actually involved in this site do we?
Birthers being what they are, this is probably just a swindle site to rip people off. Only a fool would donate to some scammer who hasn’t shown that even a penny actually goes to Lakin. And by only a fool, I mean only a birther.
Anyone setting up a site like this could just be pocketing every cent and blowing it on drugs.
Dr Kate the Constitutional Hydrologist is begging for her turn in court, any takers for Colonel Roberts?
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/stay-tuned/
I am finally home after three days of the trial, two missed planes, a snowstorm, and a seven hour drive. There is so much to report on: the venue, the script, the court room drama and theatrics; the Medal of Honor winner who told his subordinate to lie; the purposely intimidating security, the prosecution’s ridicule of Lakin’s supporters the American people, the obots in the room, the defense team’s humiliation of their own client, and the fundamental denial of justice for the Lt. Col. Dr. Terrence Lakin.
Oh boy. She just accused COL Roberts of that? Insane doesn’t begin to describe it. Good thing she kept her mouth shut about it during the trial, or she’d have had quite a few people up in her face.
She did not make such a comment about COL Roberts at the trial. But she did immediately and rather loudly proclaim LTC Edwards to be lying. I assume should would have come to the conclusion that COL Roberts ordered Edwards to lie during the rather lengthy trip home. Maybe she took an Ambien and became rather more disoriented and confused than normal.
@Loco:
For some reason, I’ve got a feeling that it’s about as difficult for The Hydrologist to become more disoriented and confused as it is for the Atlantic to become wetter.
Bitter disappointment often leads people to say foolish things.
True, but for the birthers that’s been happening since Barack Obama tied up the Democratic nomination. And the hatred and lunacy continues to pour out. For some of them it’s a business. For others it’s simply a labor of hate.
I think Dr. Kate must have taken the Ambien without water, by the way. Anyone who disagrees with her sick view of the world, or of the Constitution, and the systems of American government, is a liar. Pretty telling that she’s in a minority of a couple of hundred fruitcakes in a country of 310 million people.
And to respond to Big Guy’s query to me below my initial post, Neal Puckett is spinning the alleged sandbagging to try to give his client props for holding up so well. In fact, from what I read affect-flat Inmate Lakin did his typical piss poor job. He should have had Dogbite Jensen testilying for him.
Inmate Lakin did have a winning defense, but no one played it for him — diminished capacity.
Two things were clear at LTC Lakin’s court-martial: (1) he sincerely regretted disobeying COL Roberts; and (2) COL Roberts is worthy of extraordinary respect.
Dr. Kate’s casual libel of a legitimate hero based on zero evidence says everything we need to know about her.
“Dr. Kate’s casual libel of a legitimate hero…”
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In case anyone’s not already aware, Dwight himself took a couple for the team. Between his outspoken defense of the UCMJ here and his presence at the court-martial, he was also the target of some pretty brutal calumny.
And he handled it very well — at least, most of the time…
;-)
Echo Dwight. I only wish Lakin could have said sorry to the Dobsons. Would gone over better.
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I hope this sounds like an intelligent question.
My understanding is that it was the testimony of LTC Edwards indicating that COL Roberts had ordered LTC Lakin on that specific flight which allowed for the Missing Movement conviction instead of the lesser offense of Failure to report. I believe that there were some expectations of the Trial Counsel to address this, but that didn’t occur. Would this apparent conflict be an issue that would be raised appeal?
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It looks she is involved. The domain was registered on November 2 and the administrative contact address appears to be Lakin’s home address in Maryland.
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/terrylakinactionfund.com
The Maryland address corresponds with the address which Lakin gave when he made a campaign contribution to a House candidate last year.
Incidentally, it appears that Lakin is currently licensed to practice medicine in Maryland and Colorado. It will be interesting to see if those states take any action against him.
Six months – Compared to 3 years in Huet-Vaughn? Sounds to me like Mr. Puckett did a pretty good job for his client.
obama cannot be a constitutional president because:
his COLB is a total forgery (for example Here’s Hawaii’s real RAISED seal with single line–All vital seals in the USA are raised seals):
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiSealExample.jpg
Here’s Obama’s INVERTED forgery with the wrong design, double lines, etc.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiSealObamaCOLB.jpg
For all you skeptics, please note that the Terry Lakin Action Fund site is legitimate. It was set up by friends of Terry and is the only site authorized by Terry.
The photos are very recent. Apart from minor administrative fees (hosting, PayPal, constant contact, accounting, etc.) all the money will be used to assist Terry in paying expenses related to his case and assisting his family as he serves out his term and any hardships that follow.
Vital document fraud: Class B felony, 10 years
Use of fraudulent documentation to attain government position, federal statute violation, 15 years
So who is the guilty party?
btw the official hawaii seal is on hundreds of thousands of vitals and was obtained by freedom of information request (UIPA statutes), the fightthesmears.com COLB seal is from the “paid for by Barack Obama” website
And how do we know that coming from an anonymous source??? You could be Dogbite shilling for another scam for all we know.
Cross-posted from TFB:
Kate shares this tidbit:
[quote]The prosecution, upon that little ‘slip’, immediately shut down that part of her testimony and re-focused her attention on the ” Roberts-directed order” to Lt. Col. Lakin to get on a specific plane flight. Conveniently, Col. Roberts–the Medal of Honor winner–was recalled to “remember” that he had told Lt. Campbell to tell Lakin to get on ‘that’ plane.
How interesting that the defense did not [s]pick up on,[/s] challenge or pursue that discrepancy in testimony. This was one of many small signals that a script was in play.[/quote]
Further strange reporting:
[quote]It appeared [s]scripted[/s] strange that the defense objected to one of the questions whose answer would have been helpful to Lakin. That was an inquiry as to when LTC Lakin’s replacement was in place at Ft. Campbell, and was presumably aimed at the ‘missing movement’ charge which Puckett had earlier argued was the Army’s ‘piling on’ of charges to get more jail time. Counsel disclosed that Lakin’s replacement was at Ft. Campbell on April 26, only 14 days after Lakin refused to deploy. The prosecution focused on the inconvenience to the replacement and his wife, and indirectly implied that the death of one of the men in Afghanistan and his replacement’s additional responsibility was the fault of Lt. Col. Lakin’s failure to follow orders. That statement went unchallenged as would have been a ‘fact not in evidence’ nor relevant to the inquiry.
The military had been adamant that Lakin’s actions were disruptive and caused the Army to scramble, but it looks like the replacement was found immediately….so…why wouldn’t the defense want the jurors to hear that?[/quote]
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/courage-and-betrayal/#more-4924
I’d be interested to hear from our CAAFlog friends on this bat-guano reporting. #-o
Plutodog — guano crazy, indeed. COL Roberts was NOT recalled as a witness during the case-in-chief. He did testify at sentencing, but the members had already convicted LTC Lakin of missing movement by design by then. Dr. Kate’s statement that COL Roberts “was recalled to ‘remember’ that he had told Lt. Campbell to tell Lakin to get on ‘that’ plane” is inaccurate. But, of course, we’re talking about a woman who would accuse him of telling a subordinate to lie in the absence of ANY proof that such a thing occurred. And if he were going to do such a thing, it would be mighty strange that his testimony was inconsistent with hers in a couple of respects.
@Plutodog–
If I need to dig another well on the farmland I’m buying, I’ll call ‘Dr’ Kate, and I’m certain the advice I received would be worth the money paid.
If I want advice or instructions on trial tactics or military law, I’ll ask one the regulars here, and I’m sure I’ll get my money’s worth.
But I think that in this case, Hydrology and Legal training are probably two great tastes that just do not taste great together.
Maybe her cold medicine was kicking in and strange things were playing out in her ears and eyeballz?
Hey the spam protection math questions are getting tougher. I’ve had to take off my shoes and socks to figure it out a few times recently!
Since we can’t win with responses like this I will simply close the night by saying:
If you are so certain that a site that clearly says it is authorized by Terry Lakin, has personal photos, clear information, etc. is still suspect please send an email through the site. Choose, trustees from the mail form, and I will personally call you on Monday to discuss your concerns and demonstrate the legitimacy of the fund.
Otherwise either support Terry or leave him alone.
Regardless of one’s opinion of his case, the issue he raised is real. Why would you condemn him for trying to protect a clear constitutional standard? Remember, it is the same Constitution that provides you the freedom to write on this site. What will you do if that right is attacked? Why is his issue any different?
All natural born citizens have zero first generation birth-ties to any foreign nation by blood or soil.
All oath- or birth-naturalized (US Code 1401) statutory US Citizens have at least one first generation birth-tie to a foreign nation by blood or soil.
Simple.
Trustee, LTC Lakin wasn’t prosecuted for filing an Article 138 complaint, writing about birtherism, posting YouTube videos espousing birther views, or giving broadcast interviews to advance birtherism. He was prosecuted for the congressionally established crimes of violating lawful military orders and missing movement. And he pleaded guilty to the former. That’s why the action fund’s website strikes me as disingenuous when it claims (ungrammatically) that “Terry’s has been court martialed because of his pursuit of confirmation of Obama’s of eligbility to act as commander of our armed services.” Not so. He was court-martialed for violating lawful orders and missing movement by design.
trustees: it’s because these “fine officers” like the fact that the usurper’s suicidal rules of engagement have slaughtered more US soldiers in the past 2 years than in 2000-2008 combined, so they of course want to perpetuate that. It’s their Afnamistan.
http://icasualties.org/oef/
@Untrustees:
I can get pictures of anybody with relative ease and create a site claiming that it’s authorized. Since LTC Lakin is indisposed at the moment, we can’t exactly ask him, can we?
And now to your other claims:
No, it really isn’t real. At least not the vast majority of non-delusional Americans.
There’s nothing to protect, since the President was born in the US, which is the standard. There’s another constitutional standard that says that the civilian President is Commander in Chief of the military, which is subservient to civilian government. Why do you attack that constitutional standard?
That’s why I spent 20+ years in the Army, and why I donate to the ACLU. To protect the rights of ordinary Americans to dissent. Disagreeing with you is not the same thing as censoring you. His issue (and yours) are different because they are not real issues, and because he (and you) would substitute the judgment of certain unelected military personnel who agree with you for that of the American public because you didn’t like the results of the last election.
“I do solemnly swear…
that I will support and defend
the constitution
of the United States of America…
against all enemies,
foreign and domestic.
That I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the same.
That I take this
obligation freely…
without any mental reservation
or purpose of evasion.
That I will well
and faithfully discharge…
the duties of office
I am about to enter.
So help me God.”
That says “Constitution”, not BHO.
sg, the COLB is forged, proof spills out everywhere (see photos above), which proves you are willfully blind mindnumbed and goonified.
terminu–you appear to only have a passing familiarity with the English language, logic and rhetoric, and the concept of proof.
You should get your parents’ permission before you go online, you know. The internet can be a dangerous place.
Not only did BHO fail article II, and his COLB is forged with a clearly forged seal that is even backwards….
he fails the 20th amendment and was never qualified as REQUIRED. McCain was vetted per the 20th amendment, but not Obama.
So, if we are to respect the Constitution, he is not a legal president AT ALL. The Congressional Research Service admits Congress never vetted BHO.
“if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”
But since the fraudsters have no regard for the Constitution…well, just read their ensuing lies…
The Hawaii Democratic Committee refused to certify Obama since he had no documentation, but state law required this. They had certified Gore, Kerry, etc. in the past, but as Tim Adams, Chief Elections Clerk of Honolulu testified, Obama had no documentation, and so the HDC could not qualify Obama as their candidate. So instead, Nancy Pelosi stepped in to sign off for him, but when asked which documents were used to do so, Pelosi’s representatives screamed at one researcher and phone slammed, and later refused all comment. Go ahead and ask yourself if you would like: (202) 225-4965
If I take your question correctly, you’re asking whether there was a conflict between the testimony of COL Roberts and LTC Edwards and if so, whether it would be something LTC Lakin could raise on appeal.
There does appear to have been a conflict. Whether the conflict is reconcilable depends in part on the exact phrasing of the question and the answer. LTC Lakin’s appellate counsel will have an opportunity to look at both when they review the record of his trial.
The CCA will also have an opportunity to review the transcript, and they will do so first with an eye toward determining whether the findings are legally sufficient — i.e., whether there is enough evidence on which a rational factfinder could have based a finding of guilt. I don’t think there’s much doubt but that the evidence passes this threshold even if we assume the existence of an irreconcilable conflict. Witness testimony is rarely conflict-free. The members were entitled to conclude that LTC Edwards’ powers of recollection on this point were superior to those of COL Roberts.
The CCA will also determine whether the evidence is factually sufficient — whether, based on the entire record, the appellate judges are themselves convinced beyond a reasonable doubt of the accused’s guilt. This fact-finding power is more or less unique to the service appellate courts, and if in fact there’s an irreconcilable conflict, it might be enough to tip the case to a setting aside of the finding of guilt as to the missing movement spec. But when determining factual sufficiency, the CCAs take into account the fact that they were not present to see and hear the witnesses — which means, in practice, that unless the witness’ testimony is so internally inconsistent, or so contradicted by other evidence (including, for example, documentary or physical evidence), a factual sufficiency determination will not likely turn on the fact that one witness doesn’t recall something that another witness does.
Bottom line: there’s an issue that can be raised, but it’s by no means a sure winner.
sg, I think terminu is on to something.
“Unlike in ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ simply saying something is so does not make it so.”
- U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land
Whoops, strike the word “to.” Sorry.
Omit “to” and I will concur.
Notice how the above dumbots can’t refute the facts? Losers.
“Tim Adams, Chief Elections Clerk of Honolulu testified . . .”
Yeah, like that’s not completely delusional. On a lighter note, White Power Timmy has crept away into obscurity. It would be a hoot to hear him try not to perjure himself on the stand somewhere, anywhere.
More fun facts on the real Tim Adams:
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=10857
Captain Oblivious, you’re just another anti-American who hates the constitution.
With his irrefutably forged seal, this means BHO is just an illegal alien.
You’re a birther troll and your birther crap has been refuted unequivocally and all of the same birther myths have been debunked ad nauseam.
Example: http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2010/09/orly_taitz_embarrasses_chapman.php
You have proven that discussions with you are entirely pointless and not even very amusing as with some hardcore birthers.
Chapman is a total retard, he doesn’t even know basics in the Constitution, or HRS338-17.8. And with a FORGED SEAL all your b.s. supposition about a Hawaii birth is moot, however it is important to establish NBC.
And to give the death blow to your other lie…
NBCs are not naturalized-at-birth or “born citizens” (US Code 1401), BECAUSE the first law to naturalize citizens by oath was not implemented until 1790, post grandfather clause (9-17-1787). Therefore “Citizens” in the G.C. as differentiated from natural born Citizens were not oath-naturalized, meaning NBC had to be different from naturalized at birth citizens, and it is.
All natural born citizens have zero first generation birth-ties to any foreign nation by blood or soil.
Forged Seal=Illegal Alien
Looking at the numbers, it appears that many more of the casualties are from IEDs, where the ROE are presumably less of an issue. Relatively few of the US casualties from 2000-2008 are from IEDs. Perhaps you could describe a) just how the ROE have changed, and b) how those changes lead to greater losses due to IEDs. With many more troops in contact with the enemy, one would expect casualty numbers to be higher in recent years.
ROEs include only daylight engagement, not firing until firing upon, no surprise attacks, no return fire if civilians (used as shields) are present, no apprehension of insurgents laying IEDs unless they are caught in the act, no touching poppy fields (income source), now they’re using dust-cloud tanks which make nice targets (inappropriate)…
in short, making the US soldier a sitting duck, stretching out a bloody war, wasting men/women, resources, US money, and most of all demoralizing America for her own self defense or that of its allies in the future…great success in all these aspects, soldiers are being slaughtered, just as planned (ours, that is)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4326321.ece
“Nato confirmed the nine deaths in its ranks and said that 15 US soldiers and four Afghan soldiers had been injured.
Nato said that insurgents used homes, shops and the mosque in the village of Wanat for cover.
” US strategy in Afghanistan has focused increasingly on the use of smaller and more numerous bases, called combat outposts. They aim to give US forces greater influence in local communities. However, American military commanders have privately admitted that such small bases could prove vulnerable if the Taleban was able to concentrate enough fighters and take the base by surprise, as apparently happened yesterday. “
That’s a great article, terminu. It really shows how the Obama Administration’s ROEs are needlessly sacrificing American lives. Proves your point completely.
Except it was written in July 2008.
Now Wikileaks proves Obama threatened sanctions against Kenya if it released a weapons cache from a pirate-captured vessel put in port in Mombasa, weapons purchased by South Sudanese to protect themselves against islamic marauders (over a half million dead around Darfur)…so dumb George Clooney was pleading to this guy about Darfur, this guy who is helping those who kill Darfur native Africans and Christians…wow
http://olehgirl.com/?p=5636
The betrayal is not just some terminology in the Constitution, it’s BEHAVIOR that is completely against American values and lives.
That doesn’t disprove the ROE point whatsoever, or the ridiculous notion of making troops vulnerable to attack by “building relationships” with stoneage people who want to remain that way–that’s not their job. I was searching for an article about 9 US soldiers killed recently–ah but it was 19 killed recently 72 HOURS: 19 American troops killed in Afghanistan…
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100831/D9HUEJ000.html
Drudge Report — 72 HOURS: 19 American troops killed in Afghanistan… ~ (Second column, 1st story, link ) . The tactics have not improved they’ve worsened since then, thus the death rate has gone UP.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8451784.stm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/overall-afghanistan-more_n_319194.html
“In August 2009, a soldier in Afghanistan was more than 16 times as likely to get killed as a soldier in Iraq. So far this year, 242 soldiers have died in Afghanistan compared to 128 in Iraq though there are just over half as many troops on the ground in Afghanistan. ”
“Earlier this year, hawkish commentator and retired Army lieutenant colonel Ralph Peters called for U.S. troops to leave Afghanistan, calling it “the wrong war in the wrong place a the wrong time. Instead of concentrating on the critical mission of keeping Islamist terrorists on the defensive, we’ve mired ourselves by attempting to modernize a society that doesn’t want to be — and cannot be — transformed.”"
NATO says four American troops have been killed in a roadside bomb explosion in eastern Afghanistan.
93 days ago.
Grim News From Afghanistan: 21 American Soldiers Killed by Enemy Attacks in 48 Hours…
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/08/31/grim-news-from-afghanistan-21-american-soldiers-killed-by-enemy-attacks-in-48-hours/
Weasel Zippers — Obama’s not in this war to win it, if he was he wouldn’t have announced to the enemy our withdrawal date. These brave Americans are dying in vain… …
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a6SEZnwgfSsJ:www.buzzbox.com/news/2010-09-01/afghanistan:american/%3FclusterId%3D1749835+http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100831/D9HUEJ000.html&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
August 2010, 21 American soldiers killed in 48 hours in afghanistan
That doesn’t disprove the ROE point whatsoever, or the ridiculous notion of making troops vulnerable to attack by “building relationships” with stoneage people who want to remain that way–that’s not their job. I was searching for an article about 9 US soldiers killed recently–ah but it was 19 killed recently 72 HOURS: 19 American troops killed in Afghanistan…
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100831/D9HUEJ000.html
Drudge Report — 72 HOURS: 19 American troops killed in Afghanistan… ~ (Second column, 1st story, link ) . The tactics have not improved they’ve worsened since then, thus the death rate has gone UP.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8451784.stm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/overall-afghanistan-more_n_319194.html
“In August 2009, a soldier in Afghanistan was more than 16 times as likely to get killed as a soldier in Iraq. So far this year, 242 soldiers have died in Afghanistan compared to 128 in Iraq though there are just over half as many troops on the ground in Afghanistan. ”
“Earlier this year, hawkish commentator and retired Army lieutenant colonel Ralph Peters called for U.S. troops to leave Afghanistan, calling it “the wrong war in the wrong place a the wrong time. Instead of concentrating on the critical mission of keeping Islamist terrorists on the defensive, we’ve mired ourselves by attempting to modernize a society that doesn’t want to be — and cannot be — transformed.””
NATO says four American troops have been killed in a roadside bomb explosion in eastern Afghanistan.
93 days ago.
Grim News From Afghanistan: 21 American Soldiers Killed by Enemy Attacks in 48 Hours…
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/08/31/grim-news-from-afghanistan-21-american-soldiers-killed-by-enemy-attacks-in-48-hours/
Weasel Zippers — Obama’s not in this war to win it, if he was he wouldn’t have announced to the enemy our withdrawal date. These brave Americans are dying in vain… …
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:a6SEZnwgfSsJ:www.buzzbox.com/news/2010-09-01/afghanistan:american/%3FclusterId%3D1749835+http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100831/D9HUEJ000.html&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
I’ve looked all over in my copy of the Constitution and I can’t find the language where that is stated. Could you tell us where to find it?
Also, Chester A. Arthur, 21st President of these United States, was born son of an Irish subject of the UK, and was thus a dual citizen. Of course, he was a white Republican, so that was okay, right? Good thing it wasn’t necessary to undo everything he did, like modernizing and expanding the Navy, cleaning up the Civil Service, etc. Oh, he also nominated the Supreme Court Justice who wrote the majority opinion in U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark! You know, the case where they ruled that if you’re born here, you’re a citizen, even if your dad’s not?
Chester Arthur’s Irish father naturalized, albeit too late, making him the first usurper. But BHO’s father never naturalized at all, ever. In order for BHO to be a natural born citizen, BHO Sr would have had to have been a citizen before his birth, and BHO would have had to have been born in the USA, which a forged COLB seal proves was not the case.
Chester had lied about his status.
All one need do is look at current law: if you are a US Code 1401 statutory citizen, which includes naturalized by oath or naturalized at birth citizens, you are not eligible to be president. These are “Citizens” , not “natural born Citizens”.
All statutory citizens have at least one first generation tie to a foreign nation by blood or birth.
Natural born citizens never do. They are citizens “by nature” (no other choice since blood/soil makes them only Americans).
I did a double take with the first one. I thought, ‘WTF?!? Why is he egging this nutcase on, and what’s the humorous angle that I’m missing?’
Guys, while I like watching a fool dance as much as the next guy, every time you engage this idiot, who appears to have some form of mental illness, it’s like watching mean kids throw a ball over and over to a dog because he’ll always bring it back, and they’ve just realized that they can throw the ball across the busy road and the dog will run for it. Honestly, I’m just waiting for a screech and a thump here.
I think this terminu guy is Tim Adams.
@Trustees —
It may very well be completely coincidental that two strongly pro-Lakin posters first appeared on this thread within a minute of each other — you and terminu, December 18, 2010 at 11:57-58 pm. It prompts an unfortunate association between your claim of a “clear constitutional standard” and the wildest, most nonsensical lie- and fantasy-filled birther delusions concerning the President’s eligibility.
I think most of us feel some degree of sympathy for LTC Lakin’s family, especially his children. But it is important for you to understand that that sympathy is bound to weaken when we’re reminded of the shockingly poor judgment and research skills that a well educated and supposedly intelligent man displayed in the process of destroying his career and severely damaging his family.
sg, I can only compare our latest guest’s walls of text — including the 2008 article meant to prove the perfidy of the current administration’s ROE — to Kevin Kline’s performance in A Fish Called Wanda. Yes, it was cringingly painful to watch, but you can’t say it wasn’t funny.
It’s gratifying to know that human nature is so predictable and that there are those who never give up.
Here (http://www.armycourtmartialdefense.info/2010/12/typical-day-for-pfc-bradley-manning.html) is a preview of what will happen with the PFC Manning case as we discuss it. Same coin, just the other side.
With schadenfreude pushed aside with tremendous effort, that’s the funniest thing I’ve read in awhile.
My other candidate for all time favorite is:
“Nice try, but at that point the pooch was well and truly screwed. All Puckett could do at that point is find decent homes for the puppies.”
http://badfiction.typepad.com/badfiction/2010/12/dispatches-from-birtherstan-17-december-2010.html
And thank you to Sterngard Friegen for picking up on my analogy of birthers having the attention span of dying fruit flies.
Big fan of Drosophila melanogaster – especially the mutants.
If you support the usurper, you support his slaughter of US troops — more dead in the past 2 years than 2000-2008 COMBINED. Your fellow service members will have loads of respect for officers who support killing US troops so effectively. And you support the killing in Darfur.
Not only does your usurper’s tactics get them killed more efficiently than ever before, which you all support, murderers — now our troops get to deal with more hobbling with the usurper’s social engineering. Special housing, shower, favoritism rules…anything to screw up national security.
Captain Oblivia, aka soros monkey, parasitic pseudocoelomates — has been slam dunked in his profuse lies.
obama cannot be a constitutional president because:
his COLB is a total forgery (for example Here’s Hawaii’s real RAISED seal with single line–All vital seals in the USA are raised seals):
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiSealExample.jpg
Here’s Obama’s INVERTED forgery with the wrong design, double lines, etc.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiSealObamaCOLB.jpg
plus he failed article ii and 20th amendment (is NOT a legal president)…
which makes you all guilty as well, of killing US troops, of persecuting an innocent POLITICAL PRISONER AND MARTYR
history will judge you
I accused Captain Oblivious of being an anti-American Constitution hater yesterday…
and he never denied it.
There you go.
Christopher, traitor, then you go on to ignore the profuse data about ROEs and the slaughter of US troops, you will deny anything for your messiah, truth be damned, pervert.
I can’t decide, is terminu the harpist or the hydrologist?
It’s a small point, but can you confirm that this is a direct quote from Mrs Lakin? If it is, when did she say it?
“My husband is going to prison because of Barack Obama’s birth certificate. I’m sure you agree that’s a heavy price to pay for standing up for what is right”
Pretty general statement…She could have said this on in April of this year…
Yes it is a heavy price for standing up for what is wrong is America today.
You mean that skinny black guy is still in our WHITE House???
WWWHAAAAAAA! I want my pony!
“My husband is going to prison because of Barack Obama’s birth certificate. I’m sure you agree that’s a heavy price to pay for standing up for what is right”
I guess stupidity doesn’t count…I bet she really said, “My dipstick husband is going to prison because he didn’t listen to real lawyers and got a case of the terminal stupids. I’m sure you agree that’s a heavy price for standing in for the Birther Losers. I don’t have to put up with this sh*t. I’ve got money & I’m outta here!”
Noticed how many times she showed up to see the spectacle of stupidity. As in zero. Her man going right after the verdict and she wasn’t there to send him off…Weird…
Maybe I should have called it the Carnival of Crazy???
In fact, Lakin will be seen as a hero. While you traitors support the murder of US soldiers, he sought to protect and preserve them, as he always has.
SueDB, you’re just a communist enemy of America, so why continue your pointless melodramatic spew? You’re almost, not quite, but almost as capable as Whoopi Goldberg on the View.
WHHHHAAAAAA! I want a pony that farts sparkles!!
FISH ON!!!
SueDB, your IQ is only exceeded by the number of DSM diagnoses your shriveled maladapted birth-defective brain has.
From what I have seen, there is a LTC Maxie, an Air Force Navigator that is threatening to disobey his orders if DADT is repealed. OOOPS…Looks like it is time to Come to Jesus for LTC Maxie with the passage the the DADT repeal.
Maybe he will be Inmate Lakin’s new room mate at the Kansas School for Delinquent Boys.
Heck their wives could get together and compare notes on how fast everything goes to crap when the old man comes up short a couple of cards in his deck.
They recently added Chronic Birfism. You should qualify for mental health benefits through Obamacare® Your pre-existing mental conditions won’t be a bar for further benefits…
@terminu
FYI, I like pizza.
SueDB, when you were in prison, did you do anal kegels? BTW, you have NO cards in your deck.
Yes, you eat a lot of that free soros blogger pizza, since you have no other discernible skills. But those pustular zits you get might infect your pets.
You are too harsh on George, he was just trying to please his daddy.
Lakin never really was a hero, and likely never will be. He served, did his duty, took a foolish step and is now pondering why he threw it all away.
Can I have a slice of the pepperoni over there. Thanks…
Yes, just like President Obama’s COLB which has the raised seal and signature.
Oops… Don’t you feel a little bit silly for continuing these myths? All because you are slightly upset with our President’s policies.
Fascinating how much power he appears to have over you and your words and behavior, power you have granted him.
@terminu
How’s the weather up there in Cheney country?
Better a birther who defends the innocent and the lives of Americans than a retard traitor like SueDB and the fraudsters gang. You guys going to start a band?
Except for the fact that natural born status is not determined by the status of your parents but rather by your location of birth.
Garbage In Garbage Out
NBC, moron, the seal doesn’t match. Idiot.
Why is it that the Birfers always to a one – fixate on the anus??? It’s either some gay bashing or just butt fixation. What is it with these folks? Do they all look at the world from the perspective of a proctologist? It can give you a shi**y outlook.
All natural born citizens have zero first generation birth-ties to any foreign nation by blood or soil.
And it is proven in Article II’s grandfather clause; there were no oath naturalized US Citizens until 1790.
SueDB you support DADT and killing US soldiers, it’s all the same thing.
We’re already a Band of Wild Indians…Your Point?
This is just a whole ball of stupid…amazing that life can function without a cogent brain.
In fact the DNC submitted the required document, including the statement ‘under US Constitution’.
See for the letters
And the Hawaiian Requirements
Oops… Wrong again.
I am probably just as much an American as you if you are actually a U.S. citizen.
I have read the U.S. Constitution. I respect the U.S. Constitution.
You appear to have serious mental illness issues.
Lack of evidence is not proof. If I accuse you of molesting thousands of children and you never deny it, are you guilty?
Don’t hurt yourself thinking that over.
The DADT is not in any form equivalent to the killing of US soldiers. It’s similar to for instance the de-segregation of the Military in the late 40′s.
As to the killing of US soldiers, I doubt that anyone really supports this. But that would not stop you from making this up now would it?
That is correct, by virtue of birth on soil, natural born children have no ‘birth ties’ to any foreign country. However, due to international law, there does exist the possibility of dual citizenship which, as anyone knows, does not disqualify a natural born US citizen.
You’re still spewing illiterate nonsense. Are you just lonely?
When comparing the seal to other known seals used on COLB’s from the same period, they do appear to match after all.
Just Ma href=”http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/the-fake-seal-exposed/”>have a look
So wrong, time after time after time.
He keeps wanting to play with me. Something about my ass interests him.
Ah, the sound of insults as a replacement for facts, truth, logic and reason.
I love the smell of defeat, so early in the day
When did you consult with Dr. Fukino?
Please remind of us your qualifications and how your opinion is relevant.
NBC, no HDC did not certify, Pelosi did, with no docs.
SueDB: in past 2 years afnamistan casualties exceed 2000-2008 combined due to your usurper’s suicidal ROEs
so you support the slaughter of US troops
also wikileaks busted him supporting the slaughter of native africans and christian africans in darfur, so you support that too
Repeal of DADT was a big fat mistake, you watch…won’t be a week before there’s a lawsuit because some drill sergeant called a new recruit a sissy, or flowerly favoritism suits, lots of foxhole bunghole events, housing, showering confusion and WASTE OF RESOURCES/MONEY, lots of stressors the military does not need.
What kind of crack is that? :-D
Research has shown that often those who are most outspoken against something, tend to hold a deep and often hidden desire for the same thing.
Now of course, our society has made it easier for people to reconcile their deep deep feelings with their public behavior and do no longer have to hide.
What a wonderful time to live in
How many goalposts can you carry at once, birther fool?
his COLB is a total forgery (for example Here’s Hawaii’s real RAISED seal with single line–All vital seals in the USA are raised seals):
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiSealExample.jpg
Here’s Obama’s INVERTED forgery with the wrong design, double lines, etc.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiiSealObamaCOLB.jpg
plus he failed article ii and 20th amendment (is NOT a legal president)…
Meaningless drivel. Got any credible evidence?
Fukino quit, retard.
The requirements do not state that the HDC has to certify, merely that they have to submit the necessary statement of eligibility.
That a silly non-sequitor
Misrepresenting fact as well.
People held the similar position once segregation was ended in the military based on lack of reason and logic. I am glad to see that this tradition is continued by some who never will learn from history, only to repeat its mistakes.
@SueDB–it’s homophobia. They’re always gong on and on about having things shoved down their throats. It’s when they get real frustrated that they let the mas of sanity slip (not that it’s on there too securely anyway) and start in with all the anal and rectal stuff.
Maybe Fukino didn’t want to get tried for treason. So she sent the UIPA request seal just before.
That’s what happens when appointed people are faced with a shift from Republican to Democratic governments. Fukino resigned as many have done before her.
Fukino, a Republican appointee, clearly stated that President Obama was a natural born citizen due to his birth on US soil.
What more do you want?
Stop babbling.
Or perhaps you’re a felon with warrants out for your arrest. Lots of things are possible.
Since our confused friend appears to be unfamiliar with Hawaiian election law, here is section 11-113
That’s exactly what happened.
What treason? For abiding by our Constitution? Weird…
Hey, terminu. A skeleton walks into a bar and orders a beer… AND A MOP!!!
Is it just me, or does anyone else think this terminu guy is crazier than a shit-house-rat.
terminu is a female from Wyoming
Sorry CO, you all have the market cornered on being loony, dumb and anti-American.
And yet, we see people like you trampling all over the US and our Constitution.
NBC busted in his lies
http://www.scribd.com/doc/37528165/2000-2004-2008-Democratic-Party-of-Hawaii-Certifications-of-Nomination-for-Presidential-Candidates
HDC refuses to certify BHO as constitutionally eligible as required by HRS
they had before for Gore, Kerry, etc.
@Rob A:
“A skeleton walks into a bar and orders a beer… AND A MOP!!!”
That took me a moment to get it, but when I did…ha ha.
“terminu is a female from Wyoming”
OK, but still crazier than a shit-house rat. Do you think that terminu is actually our constitutional hydrologist? Because I need to have another well dug on the land I’m buying and I could use some advice. Of course, being that she’s crazier than a shit-house rat, her advice may not be particularly useful.
NBC it is you who are the Constitution abuser.
All natural born citizens have zero birth-ties to any foreign nation by blood or soil.
Forged COLB = illegal alien.
All natural born citizens have zero FIRST GENERATION birth-ties to any foreign nation by bl ood or soil.
She is our hydrologist until I see an original long form birth certificate that says otherwise.
All crazy people have zero ties to the natural world, hence, terminu is an illegal alien on planet earth.
This is a cheesy blog. It’s owner hides behind two layers of anonymity, the last one being a fucking UPS mailbox in Bellevue WA. Chickenshit. A good place for fellow liars and traitors.
Terminu is your real name?
You’re an idiot.
Yeah, terminu, because when the blog-owner attended the Lakin trial last week and was introducing himself to all and sundry as “Dwight Sullivan” he was engaging in that double-super-secret-ninja trick of using his real name, knowing that you and the other defectives would never believe that was his name.
There may be brighter shithouse rats.
CO, you can’t say otherwise, since it’s the only mathematically possible permutation remaining.
I have to agree on so many levels…whew…
When did you serve in the military? Are you an attorney?
Ponder the fractal, insane one.
The chickenshit traitor brigade
disallowed all Lakin’s constitutional rights
no discovery
no evidence
no testimony
he was even gagged from speaking about the issue at hand
chickenshits, you know you lose once there’s the slightest revelation of truth IN THE COURTS
remember Lakin will be private citizen Lakin with standing in 6 months (or less if Congress investigates this kangaroo bullshit court)
“you can’t say otherwise, since it’s the only mathematically possible permutation remaining.”
You’re right, of course, terminu. The only mathematical possibility, or grammatical possibility, or philosophical possibility, or physical possibility, is that you are, in fact, crazier than a shithouse rat.
Isn’t it hilarious that Terminu didn’t even know that there had been a change of administration in Hawai’i from Republican to Democrat on December 6th?
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i state Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i state Department of Health verifying that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural born American citizen.”–Department of Health Media Release, July 29, 2009
no fractals, since oathed-naturalized did not exist until after 1790 LOL!
= you lose, CO
Which isn’t real scary until they start talking about the taste of liver going well with fava beans and a nice Chianti.
This is like poking a rabid badger with a stick. Only the badger is chained to a steel pole cemented into the ground, and has no teeth.
All it can do is foam at the mouth, make strange little jerky movements at the end of the chain, and go “nnnnnnngh! nnnngh! NNNNGHHH!!” over and over again.
Sad, really.
Joey, there is no such thing as a “natural born American citizen”, in law the terminology is specific, not implied.
She saw a filed HRS 338-17.8 with a bunch of lies on it. She never said he was born in Hawaii, just that a filed application by the liar/usurper said so. Carefully parsed words.
Now she’s sent the UIPA official seal and it doesn’t match the forged seal on fightthesmears/paid for by barack obama…
watch, next they’ll disown that pos forgery!
What are you qualifications again other than insane coward?
sg, your iq is only exceeded by suedb’s iq which is only exceeded by the number of DSM diagnoses applied to that blogger’s defective brain.
When did you serve?
Are you active duty?
I’ve been away from the computer for a bit. When I came back, the comments on this thread had exploded. The cause of the explosion is the less-than-rational input of “terminu.” I haven’t plowed through all of terminu’s posts, but those I’ve read indicate a tenuous connection to reality. Consider one about which I have direct knowledge: “This is a cheesy blog. It’s owner hides behind two layers of anonymity, the last one being a fucking UPS mailbox in Bellevue WA. Chickenshit. A good place for fellow liars and traitors.” Uhm, all of this blog’s contributors are listed using their real names. There is no layer of anonymity, much less two. And to the best of my knowledge, Las Vegas is as close as any of our contributors are to Washington State. If we could bottle the irony of pseudonymously calling someone a chickenshit for alleged (but not actual) anonymity, we could drive Geritol out of business.
Well Dwight, if the court hadn’t gagged Lakin and disallowed evidence, testimony, discovery, all veritas, then the discussion might have some merit. As it is, the facts are abundantly out there awaiting a non-corrupt adjudication BASED ON MERITS — no more censorship. One day, there will be justice.
@ Dwight Sullivan 1435,
As I pointed out Sir, the mere fact that you went out in public to an event covered by news media, at which a lot of birthers were present and used your real name means it couldn’t have actually been your real name because if was your real name you wouldn’t have used it except to convince people that it wasn’t your real name, which wouldn’t be useful unless it was your real name…
It’s like that episode of original Star Trek with all the robots and they tell the head robot that everything Harry Mudd says is a lie, and then Harry tells it to listen carefully because he (Harry) is lying, and the robot freaks out with a bad logic loop because everything Harry Mudd says is a lie, but Harry Mudd just said he was lying so Harry Mudd must be telling the truth but he can’t because everything he says is a lie…
Your fellow birther Christopher Strunk is using a mail drop address in Brooklyn as his voter registration address. Do you approve of that?
“Your fellow birther Christopher Strunk is using a mail drop address in Brooklyn as his voter registration address.” Isn’t that illegal? I thought voter registrations had to be by physical address.
So I am confused. Are Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Cave the same person or not?
They are not, but it would seem that they have matching ascots. I don’t even want to know what that’s all about.
I have shown you the documents submitted and the Hawaiian Law and so far you have done nothing to counter other than repeating your vacuous claims
Given Hawaiian Election Law 11-113 and the documents submitted, I invited you to show that I am wrong.
Prediction: You won’t because you cannot. Hence the anger and name calling.. Quite a patriot your are my friend.
I’ve heard birthers say lots of really ignorant things but Terminu’s statement that there is no such thing as a “natural born American citizen” is the single most ignorant statement that I’ve ever heard a birther make. Dr. Fukino’s statement was for a media release, not for a court of law and it was confirmed by worldnetdaily.com that her media releases pertaining to Obama’s birth in Hawai’i were both approved by the office of Mark. L Bennett, the Republican Attorney General of Hawai’i.
If Dr. Fukino is ever deposed or subpoenaed to testify under oath, she can be asked to state precisely what she said in the media release.
If Obama’s internet posted COLB was a forgery, ANY prosecuting attorney in the United States could have initiated a grand jury investigation for forgery and subpoenaed the original document. No prosecuting attorney has initiated a grand jury investigation in the nearly three years since the Obama COLB was posted on the Fightthesmears website.
:-D
Well duh a forged birth certificate would mean no birth on US soil and thus no natural born citizenship status.
But this depends on your premise that the COLB was forged, a position which lacks in any supporting evidence, and contradicted by the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii.
Furthermore, it is clear that blood has no relevance, it’s only soil. The founders understood this, the Supreme Court understood this and recently the Ankeny Court understood this
Let me know what part you have trouble understanding.
You’re not entitled to your own facts.
Now the facts
US v Wong Kim Ark as quoted in Ankeny v Daniels
Ankeny v Daniels concludes
Ouch
My understanding is they have been seen in the same room, however, TV illusionist Criss Angel was also seen in the area.
The court did not gag Lakin, and Lakin himself admitted that the orders were lawful as anyone familiar with the Constitution and precedent would have known.
Of course, even if Lakin would have been able to show that the President was ineligible, he would still have been guilty.
Simple facts.
Whoops. Correction. The Kabul Klipper is in Washington State.
Confused again?
Shameful… So unfamiliar with the facts.
Sigh…
p.s. I do not even own an ascot. :-)
So many factual misrepresentations by our friend Terminu, that once again show that ignorance is a powerful motivator when driven by a necessary conclusion which is based not on fact but rather on hatred and fear.
As such poor Terminu allows herself to be manipulated by untruths, factless remarks and ignorance.
Fascinating
Miller time…
Technically it is illegal. It probably is a “no harm, no foul” violation if his actual residence address is in the same Assembly district as his mailbox, but that has not been established. On Doc Conspiracy’s blog he has been refusing to answer questions about where he actually lives.
Since several of his pending lawsuits allege that he was disenfranchised in 2008 because allegedly ineligible candidates were on the ballot, the question of whether he was legally registered to vote in New York would be relevant.
His multiple legal filings on Scribd show his “suffrage address” as 593 Vanderbilt Avenue in Brooklyn. Check Google Maps street view and you’ll see that the address is Wilkinson Mail Box Rentals.
He/She is just repeating foolish talking points meant to rally more uninformed troops. Heck look at the incoming class of Republicans: 1 out of every 3 is unfamiliar with the fact of evolution or Global Warming.
Ignorance is a powerful motivator but makes for poor policy or legal argument. The latter has been shown in over 72 failed legal filings.
That people allow others to manipulate them with the lies and untruths is fascinating to me. We have seen recently how some ‘media’ sites have abandoned any attempt at facts and reason but rather have chosen the “if it is written down, it must be true”, relying on their readers’ inability to do proper research and fact-checking.
As to HRS 338 17.8, it is based on law that was passed in 1982
Such ignorance.
I’m bored with the terminu troll. Can you invent another persona to play with please?
Ditto with Keith. But, terminu proved one thing: Ignorance is NOT bliss!
She has left attending to her wounds I assume. Smart move.
The old saw still applies…If Ignorance is bliss than terminu must be one happy SOB.
Dr Kate is fantasizing some more on her blog
Dr Kate is also on the record as accusing Col Roberts of having encouraged people to lie under oath, specifically wrt whether or not Lakin had been ordered to be on that specific plane.
Fascinating
What, exactly, does a “forceful Naval Commanders voice” sound like, and how does “dr” Kate think that it’s going to frighten a Marine Colonel?
I mean, really?
I have heard both Dwight and Kerchner talk about Natural Born Citizen Clause as well as various related legal concepts and hands down Dwight is the clear winner.
Charlie at best plays second fiddle to Mario and has the same flawed foundation for his ‘arguments’.
I’d love to hear the two of them engage in an intellectual argument against Dwight and/or Phil.
We have already seen Mario disassemble at Dwight’s blog…
But I doubt that any of the birthers will stand up and argue with people as informed as Dwight or Phil on military and Constitutional Law.
Sign your name to a sworn deposition accusing some individual of forgery wherein you explain how you know this individual committed this crime by describing your evidence.
Then (and only then) we’ll discuss it.
sg says:
December 19, 2010 at 2:43 pm (Quote) @ Dwight Sullivan 1435,
It’s like that episode of original Star Trek with all the robots and they tell the head robot that everything Harry Mudd says is a lie, and then Harry tells it to listen carefully because he (Harry) is lying, and the robot freaks out with a bad logic loop because everything Harry Mudd says is a lie, but Harry Mudd just said he was lying
———————
The better Trek-Harry Mudd-Birther analogy is a Tribble. They have no rational purpose, quickly grow annoying, and are soon removed by the Court’s transporter room.
Dr. Kate got more wrong than right — though I did engage in an unwise confrontation with CDR Kerchner and when I returned to my seat, I did say to Phil Cave that I was embarrassed and ashamed at my own behavior. So here’s Dr. Kate’s account, with corrections in brackets:
Col. Sullivan, of the blog CAAFlog and an Army Reserve officer [wrong; USMCR}, sat in the courtroom with his citizenship manual [wrong; MCM] and dishonestly argued that the 14th amendment allowed Obama to be a ‘natural born citizen’. [wrong; not "dishonestly"] I am sure many of you have seen his derogatory posts ridiculing Lakin, the Article II Constitutionalists, and the entire question of Hussein’s ineligibility. It was quite something to sit next to him as he and his partner Phil Cave guffawed at the entire proceedings [wrong; neither Phil nor I guffawed; unlike the birthers, we did not express any approval or disapproval during court-martial proceedings], especially when it came to attacking Lakin.
As he pointlessly argued his case for a 14th amendment citizen being a natural born citizen [RIGHT -- it was pointless to discuss the issue with the birthers and I regret having done so], Commander (Ret.) Charles Kerchner leaned over and suggested he was being intellectually dishonest [true]. Suddenly, Sullivan lost his cool [I regret to admit, also true; I take exception too easily to challenges to my integrity], climbed over me and others sitting next to him [wrong; I went in front of them because they were in the row and I couldn't get to the aisle without going in front of them], yelling at Kerchner, “SIR. SIR.” [probably true; I'm not sure I yelled, but I probably did.} His aggressive behavior would have trampled anyone in his way [my behavior would have trampled somone? Uhm, no. I wouldn't have either].
Sullivan confronted Kerchner toe to toe, and face to face [true], pointing and yelling about the accusation of his ‘honesty’ and ‘intellect’ being questioned. Fingers flying, red faces, and the Commander did not back down. Instead, in a delicious exchange where Kerchner sited fact after fact–of course based on his extensive research–to the red faced obot Sullivan [not true; I took exception to CDR Kerchner questioning my honesty. He responded, "I didn't question your honesty. I said you were being intellectually dishonest," or words to that effect. At that point, I realized that there was no sense speaking with someone who would say something like, "I didn't question your honesty. I said you were being intellectually dishonest." Also at that point, I realized I was acting like an ass and that such behavior was far from appropriate in a courtroom. CDR Kerchner didn't cite any facts during the encounter.]…
Several military members in the court room moved over to the confrontation, eying the aggressive Sullivan. [I have no idea whether that's true or not.]
…and when the question was asked by Kerchner in a forceful Naval Commanders voice two times in a row, “Do you or do you not believe he [Obama] is a natural born citizen?”, literally, Sullivan’s knees collapsed, [uhm, no, my knees neither literally nor figuratively collapsed. Again, realizing that I was behaving like an ass and not wishing to continue to do so, I turned around and walked away] his shoulders slumped [I can't say for sure, but I doubt it], and he turned [true], rushed [wrong] away without answering the question and ran back to his seat [I walked back to my seat without answering the question, having decided that it was best for me not to debate with birthers]. He was visibly shaking, his pen uncontrollable, and was muttering something about ‘being so embarrassed’…[I'm sure I shook my head because I was disappointed with myself; my pen certainly wasn't uncontrollable, and I told Phil Cave that I was embarrassed about and ashamed of my behavior -- and I remain so.]
To which I and my compatriot, sitting next to him, thoroughly agreed that ‘this kind of intellectual dishonesty is endangering the Nation’, tsk tsk.
Perhaps he learned his lesson to NEVER go up against a Navy Commander with the experience of Charles Kerchner!!!
Col Sullivan proved only one thing: he can’t handle the truth.
[Uhm, no; I learned once again that my temper is too short, that I should ignore challenges to my integrity from those I do not respect; and that I would have either fought a lot of duels had I been a military officer in the first half of the nineteenth century or I would have died in one].
I could set up a site claiming it’s authorized by Terry Lakin. Any idiot could do the same. Basically prove it or I don’t believe it.
I’m not saying it isn’t a legitimate site. I’m just saying that given the predominance of swindlers among birthers, I don’t believe anything any of you all say without some docs backing it up. An anonymous jerk saying we should believe the site is legitimate because “we say we’re legitimate” is nonsense. Nobody who really was legitimate would have any difficulty backing it up, or feign affront rather than pony up the proof.
I find it hilarious that a batch of clowns who demand absolutely absurd levels of proof from Obama that he is the natural born citizen every sane person already knows he is get all huffy when asked “why the Hell should we believe you?”
See, this is what says “scheme” to me. Administrative fees for “constant contact”? What the heck is that? Talking or emailing with Mrs. Lakin? You charge for that?
And Accounting? Why would there be any accounting at all? I won’t even ask what “etc” could mean.
If this was truly for the Lakin family, then the Paypal account should have been set up BY Mrs Lakin, with her email and a private password known only to her, and attached to HER bank account. Then all monies raised would go DIRECTLY to her. As for hosting, she could simply write you a check for $50, which is the MAX that a domain name and simple hosting acct should cost.
The way it’s setup now looks more like a way to dip your fingers in the till and skim a little (or a lot) off the top.
Friends of Terry Lakin? With friends like that….well, I can see how he ended up in prison.
@Dwight Sullivan,
“p.s. I do not even own an ascot.”
You borrowed one from Phil, perhaps?
He is English, after all, surely he has more than one ascot.
Terminu:
You should read the Hawaiian Regulations on DOH seals.
§11-1-2 Seal of the department of health.
a) The official seal of the department of health shall be circular in shape, two and one-fourth inches in diameter. At the curve on the top portion there shall be the words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and at the curve on the bottom portion there shall be the words “STATE OF HAWAII.” At the curve on each side portion shall be a star. In the center of the seal shall be the Caduceus, a winged rod entwined with two serpents, which has long been recognized as a universal symbol of medicine. The Caduceus shall be encircled by an indentation, which shall separate it from the words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and “STATE OF HAWAII.” For illustrative purposes , a black and white drawing of the official seal is attached at the end of this section as Exhibit “A,” titled “Seal of the Department of Health,” and dated November 1, 1988, and made a part of this section.”
There is nothing in the regulation about a single or double or triple line around the outside of the seal. And the seal that you point to as the official image, is for illustrative purposes .
So, the seal has to have the following characteristics:
1) circular in shape, two and one-fourth inches
in diameter,
2) At the curve on the top portion there
shall be the words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH”
3) at the curve on the bottom portion there shall be the words “STATE OF HAWAII.”,
4) At the curve on each side portion shall be a star,
5) in the center of the seal shall be the Caduceus, a winged rod entwined with two serpents,
6) the Caduceus shall be encircled by an indentation, which shall separate it from the words
“DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and “STATE OF HAWAII.”
The President’s COLB has a seal with all the characteristics required by Hawaiian law and in fact, looks similar to other examples of seals that have been published on the internet.
Since birtherism was irrelevant to Lakin’s prosecutrion or defense, it’s fascinating that the birfers have come here to defecate. They are mad. Not only are they angry about a scary black man in the White House, who’s a Democrat (“Nazi,” “Communist,” Fascist” and/or Marxist”), but they’re sore that they’ve lost 72 civilian court cases and now see their latest misguided hero imprisoned.
So it’s stamp their feet time, spreading their bullsh!t here in the hopes that if they spread the lies often enough the lies will come true.
This sort of infantile magical thinking only works in videogames. And I won’t engage the birfers here. They are merely going over all the old lies again, thinking they have a new audience.For the most part they don’t.
And Barack Obama is still President. And he’ll run for re-election in 2012. And you birfers can stamp your feet all yu want. Or you can get out of Mummy’s basement and get a job and do something ptoductive with your lives (the few of you who are under 70 — the rest are hypocritically on Medicare and Social Security).
Dr. Kate held her “usurpathon” in D.C. in September, which by all accounts drew a crowd of about a half dozen (and a couple of those may have been tourists who happened to wander by). I would surmise, then, that her actual number of followers is fairly small.
Isn’t it finally time for LAKINlog to come to an end? This case has been blown way out of proportion. Frankly, I’ve ignored all of this nonsense; what a waste of time.
You have to keep your sense of humor.
Pretty potty mouthed for a girl on this blog.
Usually people begging for money don’t insult the potential donors. Just say’in ya know.
Exactly, Defense Lawyers go over and over the questions he is going to ask you.
This is done because the Defense does not want ANY surprises to come out during the questioning.
They went over every answer Lakin would give and exactly how he should respond.
Trials are like theater, a script for everything.
If you want to waste your hard earned money on a Traitor, be my guest.
Ah yes….once sat in court-martial as a Trial Counsel listening to an unrehearsed Q and A between the convicted rapist and his defense counsel. Went something like this:
Q (DC): And if not for the Navy, where would you be now?
A (from “accused”): On the streets, robbing and killing.
I had no rebuttal!
But how do you know that this isn’t going to to Dogbite Jensen??? This whole thing has been a money generating scam for the nutters. Everyone is collecting money, but no one is accountable…strange that…No statement of income versus where did the money go????
So…where did all that cash coming from the faithful scratching that PayPal button – GO?????
Also it contains some “quote” from the wife…I’ll wait until the video comes out – although video can be faked – it is much harder to hide faking it. The CIA could do it….
It is like playing Whack A Mole.
terminu has been previously seen at the OC Weekly, responding to this article:
“The Hilarious Haters
Chapman Constitutional Scholar Rebuffs Orly Taitz’s Overtures”
terminu has not perceptibly learned anything in the meantime:
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2010/09/orly_taitz_embarrasses_chapman.php
“his whole thing has been a money generating scam for the nutters. Everyone is collecting money…”
I’m willing to bet a month’s retirement pay that the only one who isn’t seeing the cash flow is LTC Lakin.
I think it’s time that the FDA investigates the Kool-Aid that the birthers are drinking . . . .
SG, makes sure you see the originals of all of the documents! You know the expression, trust but verify.
An “anti-American Constitution hater” is someone who hates people who oppose the U.S. Constitution; so I would not expect Captain Oblivious (or any other reasonable poster on this thread – myself included) to deny being one.
Not that silence implies consent – it most emphatically does not.
I see Hemenway is saying about 300 have called MDW in support of LTC Lakin, but a poster on Politjab says he talked with the PAO and the number was more like 30. Any news on that?
The disposition of cases under the UCMJ, unlike the average reality TV show, does not involve call-in lines.
Whatever figure a birfer gets, they add at least one zero to it before passing it on. Kinda like passing gas though…smells really crappy, but there really isn’t anything there.
@Judge Mathews,
there would be an element of interest to that, though. Each person voted off the island goes to USDB, the later they get voted off, the longer the sentence but the winner gets a promotion to the next grade straight to 30-year retirement. I’d watch that.
Everyone would be in a rush to 86 the Blue Falcon. Then they could get down to real business.
Predictions ??? Will we be able to get this thread to 250??
my daughters (born in Hawaii 1965 1969) have the exact same seal as Obama’s, they even got their passports with it. Now according to terminu, they are forged COLBs. What am I going to do now? I called the state health dept and asked what should I do about the forged documents. Her response “…just laugh at terminu”!
I did, and included a sorry, (I feel sorry for terminu, poor girl has serious issues)
That should be Obvious, Greg. Pun intended.
Yes, but they are flammable.
I thought I would add a little more about the possibility of LTC Lakin losing his licenses to practice. He currently holds active licences in MD and CO, his HI license expired without renewal in 2006.
CO has this rule: ” (f) Any conviction of an offense of moral turpitude, a felony, or a crime that would constitute a violation of this article. For purposes of this paragraph (f), “conviction” includes the entry of a plea of guilty or nolo contendere or the imposition of a deferred sentence.” The whole thing is here:http://www.dora.state.co.us/medical/Statute.pdf
MD’s laws and rules are not as specific (not that the CO law is very specific) but you can read through it here: http://www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/comarhtml/10/10.32.07.07.htm
Basically LTC Lakin has a good chance of retaining a license to practice if the board doesn’t define “moral terpitude” to include any reason for confinement and only looks at those deeds that are unethical or violate the rules or regulations specifically (as the law provides.) If you read through the rules, they may give the board a lot of latitude but LTC Lakin has not violated any of the specified causes for removal.
One problem he will have is keeping up with his CME or education requirements. They can be done on line (that’s what I do) and 5 months is not that long to lose skills so it will probably not be a factor. Removal from the roles of the Medical Corps may be one, however.
So far, no action from the boards.
Most state medical boards seem to have considerable leeway in deciding what kind of disciplinary measures to take. New York often revokes medical licenses for felony convictions, but usually those convictions have some direct relationship to the doctor’s medical practice – insurance fraud, writing prescriptions for family members to get controlled drugs, etc.
They might show Lakin leniency because of the unique circumstances of his case. It would be wise of him to self-report his conviction, however. If he fails to report it on a renewal application and the state finds out, they likely will lower the boom on him.
I have read these blogs. I am 64 years old. I think I know a thing or two about life. More than probably most of you here.
First, I will say that the Constitutional crisis that we have is not a political issue. It IS a constitutional issue. We now have 200 million ppl in this country who do now doubt or are now seriously questioning Obama eligibility. The question is, why are your protecting him? Do you really not know who he is or what he is about. Do you really no longer believe in the Constitution as the LAW of our land.
No one can change the Constitution to suit his own needs as Obama is doing. You should all be ashamed especially you Dwight.
Obama is a usurper, a plant for the new world order to make slaves of all of us. You are all being used as useful idiots. Do you not know your history? Did you not every hear of Nuremburg trials?
Lt. Col. Lakin, as you will come to realize someday, was protecting his men and possibly all of you. He swaore to protect the Constitution. Who did you swear to protect? Not a president or any president and certainly NOT Obama the fraud.
He is destroying this country, you are helping him. We will not help you do that. Understand?
Obama is a fraud in every way. No social security number. His draft card is a fraud and right down to his birth announcement in the HAwaii papers are all fraud. Oh yes. It has been proven. You all have forgotten, we are not just the little ppl out here. We have brains and I am beginning to believe more brains than all of you.
Obama is involved in racketeering,money laundering, (39 differenct social securitiy numbers) taking monies from foreign countries, violating the Logan Act, supporting and sending money to our enemies, Hamas, and Palistinians, bribery, (Sestak)buying votes, associations with known communists. He could not even pass a national security exam just because of his associate with Bill Ayers and Wright. Oh yes, bill Ayers was not just a passing acquaintence. They were buddies for years.
Maybe you ppl have been too closed in being in the military ranks or worse yet brainwashed.
I just want you to know how wrong you are about Lt. Col. Lakin, Dr. Kate or others who support Lt. Col Lakin.
How can you sleep at night? You are a bunch of thugs just like Obama. Someday, you will be begging for forgiveness. Why?
BECAUSE THE TRUTH ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, PREVAILS.
We already know that paranoid, xenophobic birther lunatics are un-American scum. The truth has already prevailed.
“No one can change the Constitution to suit his own needs . . .”
Hypocrite.
“We now have 200 million ppl in this country who do now doubt or are now seriously questioning Obama eligibility.”
You’re seriously delusional. Your birther fantasy world has no bearing on reality. And I don’t really don’t care whether or not you get the immediate psychiatric help you undoubtedly need.