According to multiple reports, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) was shot in the head by an unidentified gunman while at a public speaking event in Tucson, Arizona.

At least six people are reported dead, along with many others wounded. According to the press, an unnamed federal judge was among the wounded and has died.  

Early reports indicated that Rep. Giffords had also died but those reports were apparently in error; she is now reported to be alive but in critical condition.   The gunman is reportedly in custody.

Rep. Giffords is a member of the House Armed Services Committee and the only member of Congress married to an active-duty servicemember: her husband, Navy Captain Mark Kelly, has piloted space shuttles Endeavor and Discovery.

UPDATE:  An NBC affiliate has identified Chief Judge John M. Roll as the assassinated federal judge. Chief Judge Roll was appointed to the federal bench in 1991 by former President George H.W. Bush.  Roll received death threats last year when he allowed a civil rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants to proceed against an Arizona rancher.

UPDATE: Further press reports have identified the shooter as Jared Laughner, who is reportedly in his early 20s and an Afghan war vet.  Other reports have spelled the shooter’s name as “Loughner.”

UPDATE: According to CNN, Rep. Giffords’ doctor says she remains in critical condition following surgery, but he is “very optimistic” about her eventual recovery.

UPDATE: Local media reports say Rep. Giffords was shot “through and through” with a 9mm Glock pistol. She apparently regained consciousness following surgery and was able to recognize her husband, Navy CAPT Mark Kelly, and to speak to people in her hospital room. Former U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona, now a professor at the University of Arizona in Tucson, described her head wound as “devastating,” but would not elaborate.

In addition to Chief Judge Roll, five other people were killed: 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green, who was born on 11 Sept 2001; Gabe Zimmerman, 30; Dorothy Murray, 76; Dorwin Stoddard, 76; and Phyllis Schneck, 79.

58 Responses to “HASC member Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and U.S. District Judge John Roll shot in Tucson AZ”

  1. Anonymous says:

    Hmmm, how can we tie Lakin into this?

  2. Christopher Mathews says:

    I think his whereabouts are pretty well accounted for.

  3. Anonymous says:

    It’s pretty clear the kid was a nutjob, but apparently there was an old man doing a perverse mentorship, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that guy has TP or Birther ties.

  4. Christopher Mathews says:

    Anon 2311, speculation about the motives of the shooter is just that — speculation. There has certainly been a great deal of overheated political rhetoric directed toward Rep. Giffords and others of late; there’s no need to add to it.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Anon 2311, speculation about the motives of the shooter is just that — speculation.There has certainly been a great deal of overheated political rhetoric directed toward Rep. Giffords and others of late; there’s no need to add to it.

    well that’s probably why I said I wouldn’t be surprised as opposed to saying I knew anything. There’s nothing overheated about my comment.

  6. Christopher Mathews says:

    Thanks for the clarification.

    The bad news this morning is that reports that Rep. Giffords was able to speak and recognize people following surgery were apparently inaccurate. The hospital spokesperson says she remains in a coma.

  7. Justafly says:

    Let the Blame Game begin…

    The shooter in Arizona was a nut. Period! Who gives a rats behind what his political interests were? He was not mentally stable, according to the reports of his recent past.

    The liberal media is automatically blaming the Tea Party, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc. What Whining Weenies they are for even trying to toss that mud up against the wall to get some of it to stick.

    Are they ALL children? They sound like a bunch of 9th graders that are picking sides against the popular/unpopular kid at school. This is what passes for objective journalism today, attack their political opponents and their favorite whipping boy, the Second Amendment?

    It is these elitist journalists and Congresscritters that are ramping up the anger in fly-over country with ignoring important news stories or making them up, nasty campaign ads, lies, ramming laws down our throats, invasion of privacy and molesting grandma at the airports.

    If any message needs to come out of this heinous act by a lone nut-job it is that our elected officials must back-off, and for the media to stop lying to us.

  8. Dew_Process says:

    CM: The 2 are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Most times following massive internal head injuries, the docs induce a coma to control brain swelling and pressure.

  9. Christopher Mathews says:

    Let the Blame Game begin…

    Let’s not.

    If any message needs to come out of this heinous act by a lone nut-job it is that our elected officials must back-off, and for the media to stop lying to us.

    And if they don’t … ?

  10. Christopher Mathews says:

    CM: The 2 are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Most times following massive internal head injuries, the docs induce a coma to control brain swelling and pressure.

    Thanks, DP. I was aware that an induced coma is often part of the treatment; I was unaware of the reason why that’s so.

  11. Justafly says:

    Let’s not.
    And if they don’t … ?

    Then they are as culpable as the shooter.

  12. Anonymous says:

    The liberal media is automatically blaming the Tea Party, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc.

    And if he’d been Muslim, or foreign then I’m sure the conservative media would have just characterized him as a lone nut not as a terrorist.

  13. Dwight Sullivan says:

    In answer to Justafly’s guano-crazy 1526 post, she was the target:

    “Investigators said they carried out a search warrant at Jared Loughner’s home and seized an envelope from a safe with messages such as ‘I planned ahead,’ ‘My assassination’ and the name ‘Giffords’ next to what appears to be the man’s signature.”

    http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/09/arizona-shootings-jared-loughner-charged-in-rep-gabrielle-giff/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C194431

  14. Justafly says:

    And if he’d been Muslim, or foreign then I’m sure the conservative media would have just characterized him as a lone nut not as a terrorist.

    There is a conservative media? Don’t even think of saying Fox is conservative.

  15. Justafly says:

    In answer to Justafly’s guano-crazy 1526 post, she was the target:“Investigators said they carried out a search warrant at Jared Loughner’s home and seized an envelope from a safe with messages such as ‘I planned ahead,’ ‘My assassination’ and the name ‘Giffords’ next to what appears to be the man’s signature.”http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/09/arizona-shootings-jared-loughner-charged-in-rep-gabrielle-giff/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C194431

    In spite of your childish insult, I’ll say thanks for the update.

    I had just read the result of the search of the accused murder’s home.

    P.S Why is everything with most people about right versus left and not simply about right versus wrong? Why the derogatory remarks? It’s folks that engage in these type of ad hominem attacks that add to the coarsening of our society.

  16. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Justafly,

    Referring to your earlier post as guano-crazy wasn’t an ad hominem attack. The article you linked to was divorced from reality. Denouncing irresponsible claims such as that isn’t an ad hominem attack.

  17. Anonymous says:

    There is a conservative media? Don’t even think of saying Fox is conservative.

    yes, there is, and I would think someone so hyper-sensitive to the right-left divide in this nation would be better informed. From Fox, to multiple large national papers, to websites like redstate, free republic, and worldnewsdaily, to radio shows that reach millions of people like Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh, there are conservative media outlets that reach tens of millions of Americans on a daily basis.

  18. Justafly says:

    Justafly,Referring to your earlier post as guano-crazy wasn’t an ad hominem attack.The article you linked to was divorced from reality.Denouncing irresponsible claims such as that isn’t an ad hominem attack.

    Okay then, why not argue one or two points you do not agree with like an intelligent lawyer, and let the readers form their own opinion based on your argument? Calling a person’s opinion bat-shit for no reason (given) is the modus operandi of propagandists.

  19. Justafly says:

    yes, there is, and I would think someone so hyper-sensitive to the right-left divide in this nation would be better informed. From Fox, to multiple large national papers, to websites like redstate, free republic, and worldnewsdaily, to radio shows that reach millions of people like Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh, there are conservative media outlets that reach tens of millions of Americans on a daily basis.

    Fox is hardly conservative in the way that NBC, NYT, CNN, WashPo, etc. are liberal. Radio talk and blogs are not necessarily “news”.

  20. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Justafly,

    In response to your post of 1949, here’s a legal phrase: res ipsa loquitur.

    A “news report” suggesting that the current Administration might have targeted Judge Roll for assassination due to a preliminary injunction ruling and suggesting that the gunman might have been a “CIA/US Military ‘mind controlled’ assassin[]” is guano-crazy. Res ipsa loquitur.

  21. Anonymous says:

    Yes, yes, got it, because it’s always “different” with conservatives. Let me suggest a couple of things regardless of this kids eventual nutiness or even his motivations.

    1. Rhetoric has an impact. It works for politicians and advertisers alike with normal people and with crazies.

    2. The rhetoric of the last two elections have been about things like “exercising one’s second amendment rights,” bullseye targets, and challenging the basic Americanism of politicians in an overwrought us versus them atmosphere.

    Regardless of where that rhetoric is coming from, it seems to me it’s gotten over-the-top and responsible people need to start to work to toning it down.

  22. Justafly says:

    Then I stand corrected and humbly apologize.

    pax pacis

  23. Justafly says:

    Yes, yes, got it, because it’s always “different” with conservatives. Let me suggest a couple of things regardless of this kids eventual nutiness or even his motivations.1. Rhetoric has an impact. It works for politicians and advertisers alike with normal people and with crazies.2. The rhetoric of the last two elections have been about things like “exercising one’s second amendment rights,” bullseye targets, and challenging the basic Americanism of politicians in an overwrought us versus them atmosphere.Regardless of where that rhetoric is coming from, it seems to me it’s gotten over-the-top and responsible people need to start to work to toning it down.

    See we agree!

    Let us start at the top, the “leadership” should lead the way, and set the tone of the discourse. Okay?
    “Don’t you think we’re not keeping score, brother” – pResident Obama

    “Bring it on”- Obama to The American People.

    “Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans” – Barry Obama

    “I want all Americans to get in each others faces! – B.H. Obama

    “You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun” – Guess Who?

    “Republicans are our enemies”–and again

    “the Cambridge Police acted Stupidly”

    “God Damn America” – Barrack Hussein Obama’s Spiritual Advisor

  24. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Justafly, could you please indicate when and to whom President Obama allegedly said, “Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans”? Could you please indicate when and to whom President Obama allegedly said, “You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun”?

  25. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Justafly, could you also please indicate when and to whom President Obama allegedly said, “Republicans are our enemies”?

  26. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Justafly, same for “I want all Americans to get in each others’ faces.”

  27. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Finally, Justafly, when did President Obama say “Bring it on” to the American people?

  28. Anonymous says:

    See we agree!
    Let us start at the top, the “leadership” should lead the way, and set the tone of the discourse.Okay?
    “Don’t you think we’re not keeping score, brother” – pResident Obama“Bring it on”- Obama to The American People.“Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans” – Barry Obama“I want all Americans to get in each others faces! – B.H. Obama“You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun” – Guess Who?“Republicans are our enemies”–and again“the Cambridge Police acted Stupidly”“God Damn America” – Barrack Hussein Obama’s Spiritual Advisor

    oh good lord, couple of comments:

    1. as COL Sullivan says, unsourced comments are meaningless. You can’t even look at context because I don’t know where you got them from, if they were said, or to whom they were said.

    2. How does “Bring it on” “Don’t you think we are keeping score” or “the cambridge police acted stupidly” inspire violence?

    3. How does the words of another person get placed as the responsibility of Obama? I mean if you want to play the guilt by association game I can have a lot of fun with that.

    4. the only one of the remaining quotes that comes remotely close (and that I believe is actually accurate) is the “republicans are our enemies” quote which isn’t an exact quote but it does capture the gist of what he said. I’d remind you he later apologized for that statement. Let me know when Sarah Plain and Tall does the same for the gun sight she put over Rep. Gifford.

    As always, don’t retreat, reload.

  29. Anonymous says:

    Justafly, could you also please indicate when and to whom President Obama allegedly said, “Republicans are our enemies”?

    COL Sullivan, President Obama did say something like this, although not verbatim, at a rally of some sort prior to the elections. He later clarified/apologized for saying it.

  30. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Thanks, Anon 2046. I think this may be the quotation to which you are referring:

    “If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s gonna be harder.”

    Obviously there’s an enormous difference between that and the quotation as rendered by Justafly. If this is the quotation to which Justafly was referring, that makes me doubt his accuracy even more than I already do.

  31. Anonymous says:

    Well, I knew it was something like that but not sure if that’s exactly it. I know he clarified his comments a few days later. Regardless, I certainly don’t think it comes remotely close to some of the more “aggressive” rhetoric of the past few years.

  32. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Anon 2107 — I read that after making the quote above, the President said he should have used the words “opponents” rather than “enemies.”

  33. JustaFly says:

    Justafly, could you please indicate when and to whom President Obama allegedly said, “Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans”?Could you please indicate when and to whom President Obama allegedly said, “You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun”?

    I have seen the video of most of the quotes I posted. I will admit one, maybe two, I have not seen personally, but res ipsa loquitur

  34. Anonymous says:

    well that’s even easier you can just post the links. Although not sure how you get that Obama was telling “the American people” to “bring it on.” That doesn’t even make sense.

    But I await the videos.

  35. Dwight Sullivan says:

    No, Justafly, the thing doesn’t speak for itself. You attribute certain remarks to the President. You haven’t provided a source for ANY of those alleged remarks. For most of them, I haven’t been able to find a reputable report indicating that the President uttered the remarks you attribute to him. Do you have any actual source material? Or are you merely reposting unattributed allegations from someone else?

  36. JustaFly says:

    I know it will not matter to the Obamatrons out there, but here are national reports of the quotes:

    * “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” Barack Obama in July 2008

    * “I want you to argue with them and get in their face!” Barack Obama, September 2008

    * “Here’s the problem: It’s almost like they’ve got — they’ve got a bomb strapped to them and they’ve got their hand on the trigger. You don’t want them to blow up. But you’ve got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger.” Barack Obama on banks, March 2009

    * “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.” Barack Obama on the private sector, June 2010,

    * “A Republican majority in Congress would mean ‘hand-to-hand combat’ on Capitol Hill for the next two years, threatening policies Democrats have enacted to stabilize the economy.” Barack Obama, October 6, 2010,

  37. Gene Fidell says:

    What does any of this have to do with CAAF/military justice?

  38. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Justafly, you wrote: “here are national reports of the quotes.” Do you concede that you didn’t provide a source supporting any of the five quotations about which I asked you?

  39. JustaFly says:

    Pleas refer to my post @ 2148

  40. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Justafly, I am referring to your 2148 post. Do you concede that none of the sources you quote there support the quotations you gave in your 2011 post?

  41. JustaFly says:

    I refer you AGAIN to my previous post. Four of your quotes were referenced, one additional quote was added for you edification.

  42. Dwight Sullivan says:

    Not so, Justafly. Let’s review. At 2011, you wrote that President Obama said to the American people,”Bring it on.” Do you concede that you have provided no support for your assertion?

    At 2011, you wrote that that President Obama said, “Republicans are our enemies.” Do you concede that you have provided no support for that quotation?

    At 2011, you wrote that President Obama said, “Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans.” At 2148, you provided a link that quoted President Obama saying, “If they’re successful in doing that, they’ve already said they’re going to go back to the same policies that were in place during the Bush administration. That means that we are going to have just hand-to-hand combat up here on Capitol Hill.” Do you concede that the actual quotation differs from the quotation you provided at 2011?

    At 2011, you wrote that President Obama said, “I want all Americans to get in each others [sic] faces!” At 2148, you provided a link quoting President Obama as saying,”I want you to argue with them and get in their face.” Do you concede that those quotations are different? (I also note that even in your latter post, you changed the quotation from that provided by your source by adding an exclamation point that your source didn’t include — an important point because the quotation appears to have been part of a longer sentence and didn’t end at the point where you inserted an exclamation point.)

    In your 2011 post, you quoted the President as saying, “You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun.” In your 2148 post, you provide a source quoting the President as saying, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” Do you concede that those quotations are different?

    To you review, your 2011 post included seven quotations. For two of them, you have never provided any source indicating that the President said anything like the words you attribute to him. For another three, you provide sources that include some of the same words as your alleged quotations, but not the quotations as you rendered them. Serious question: what was your source for your 2011 post?

  43. Anonymous says:

    I know it will not matter to the Obamatrons out there

    Sigh, for a guy arguing about civility…

  44. JustaFly says:

    The quotes were substantially the same. Word for word, as strictly as the Constitution should be interpreted? No, you are correct. In context, as a person would hear the quotes, in context, with voice inflection and body language, it is undeniable who was the target of the verbal attack. He has attacked and insulted (whether on purpose or subconsciously) the Cambridge police, Christians, gun owners, Arizonians, Bible owners, his administration has also insulted veterans, folks with political bumper stickers, militia members, journalists, Caucasians, to name a few.
    P.S. All the other quotes are available if you truly wish to verify them. Quite frankly, I am bored of bantering the ideological minutia in this topic.

    Obama prompts many of us in the center and right politically to miss Bill Clinton.

  45. sg says:

    What does any of this have to do with CAAF/military justice?

    Well, the initial posting was at least peripherally connected. HASC member, Judge as victims…
    The comments thread? Not so much.

  46. Anonymous says:

    Mr. Fidell has it correct.

    And according to the media, the stuff on this blog is the stuff that produces a Jared Loughner….

  47. Anonymous says:

    The quotes were substantially the same.Word for word, as strictly as the Constitution should be interpreted?No, you are correct.In context, as a person would hear the quotes, in context, with voice inflection and body language, it is undeniable who was the target of the verbal attack.He has attacked and insulted (whether on purpose or subconsciously) the Cambridge police, Christians, gun owners, Arizonians, Bible owners, his administration has also insulted veterans, folks with political bumper stickers, militia members, journalists, Caucasians, to name a few.
    P.S. All the other quotes are available if you truly wish to verify them.Quite frankly, I am bored of bantering the ideological minutia in this topic.
    Obama prompts many of us in the center and right politically to miss Bill Clinton.

    And folks populating the right these days makes those of us on the left miss Reagan.

    As for your quotes, lame. Although I find your ability to assess the “subconscious” intent of another person fascinating. No bias from you, no sir. And yes they are quite “deniable.”

  48. JustaFly says:

    And folks populating the right these days makes those of us on the left miss Reagan.As for your quotes, lame. Although I find your ability to assess the “subconscious” intent of another person fascinating. No bias from you, no sir. And yes they are quite “deniable.”

    Where did I state an intent to assess anyone’s sub-conscious. The quotes, in context were clear as who was the target.

    The vilest vitriol comes from the left, as well as the attempts to censor all opposing opinion.

    Personally I lean towards the original intent of liberty and self-determination that founded this nation.

    Isn’t it interesting that the USC has a clause within it requiring Congress to meet at least once a year. It is sort of telling how little interference was expected from Congress. Isn’t it just like lawyers to “chase ambulances” to make work for themselves and confirm their self importance.

  49. John O'Connor says:

    What does any of this have to do with CAAF/military justice?

    Agree completely. [jotting 1/10/11 in notebook]

  50. Gene Fidell says:

    JO’C, the year is young — leave some room.

  51. John Harwood says:

    And the relation to MJ is …?

  52. John O'Connor says:

    JO’C, the year is young — leave some room.

    LOL.

  53. Christopher Mathews says:

    Oddly enough, articles about Dave Barry’s Year in Review and the theft of a mule provoked less finger-wagging about their connection to military justice than the killing of a federal judge and attempted assassination of a HASC member reportedly (although the report proved not to be accurate) by a recent veteran.

  54. John O'Connor says:

    Cumulative error. ;-)

  55. Anonymous says:

    Anyone ever wonder if you post late on a string like this whether anyone will ever read it? Anyway…
    JustaFly – The “original” USC also acknowledged slavery as legitimate. Yep, let’s return to the drafter’s intent as dispositive!

  56. JustaFly says:

    Anyone ever wonder if you post late on a string like this whether anyone will ever read it?Anyway…
    JustaFly – The “original” USC also acknowledged slavery as legitimate. Yep, let’s return to the drafter’s intent as dispositive!

    Strawman!!! Thanks for playing.